I have narrowed down my RSC decision to two boxes (yes, I'm being careful not to call them "safes"). I have read so much that I am exhausted and on my wife's last nerve. I know that a1xxxx and CB900 are the ones to ask around here. I've never seen a price for a Graffunder but am fairly sure they are out of my range for what I need. I could probably make do with a cheap box, but I'm willing to pay for aesthetics and name brand.
I want a box to store three long guns, several pistols and documents. I will probably end up getting a small fire safe that fits in the gun box for the papers. It is going in a closet, bolted down. I'm trying to protect them from my kid, her friends and smash and grab thieves. It'd be nice to slow a pro down, but I can't stretch the budget that far.
With that being said, my choices are the Amsec BF 6032 or the Fort Knox Defender 6026. I wish Amsec had a BF that was only 24" or 26" wide, but they don't. So I'd squeeze the 6032 in. If I go with the Ft. Knox, I'd stay with the 26" wide 6026.
BF:
Made in U.S.A.
UL RSC Burglary Listed
Lifetime warranty
90 min./1272 degrees "Mercury" fire rating
5 active locking bolts open side, 5 dead bolts hinge side
Exterior hinges
1/2" steel plate door + DryLight ?
2" body. I believe 10 ga. outer, DryLight, then ? ga inner liner maybe??
Amsec's own mechanical lock (Group II)
Defender:
Made in U.S.A.
UL RSC Burglary Listed
Lifetime warranty, to include flood (I'm in Houston)
90 min./1680 degrees "Certified Fire" rating
11 active locking bolts, all four sides
Interior hinges
10 ga. steel + UL fireboard + 1/4 steel plate door
1 1/2 body. 10 gau outer + ???
S&G mechanical lock (Group II)
Both are in the same price range. The BF is bigger, but in my case that is not necessarily better since I'm strapped for space. I'd sacrifice a little if I go with the BF. They are both UL RSC. They both have 90 minute fire ratings from "independent" companies. The Defender has more active bolts. The BF has exterior hinges, but the box is going against the wall, so I can't utilize the wider opening door. They both have 10 ga bodies. The BF has 1/2 steel plate door. I think the Defender has 1/4 steel plate, but not positive. Visually, the Defender has a thicker door. The Defender has fully adjustable shelves on both sides, The BF's second from top shelf is stationary. You can only adjust the shelves on one side. The Defender uses an S&G lock. Amsec uses their own lock.
So, I guess it comes down to personal experiences and/or their customer service. The Amsec will come from a lock and safe company. The Ft. Knox is from a Ft. Knox dealer, but they do their own service and deliveries. Both will deliver and bolt down for the same price. Ted Nugent endorses Ft. Knox .
Here's a quick shot of Ft. Knox's nifty "Certified Fire" sticker that mimics the UL decal:
And here's a shot of the Defender's door, FWIW:
No BF inner door pics available.
Opinions are welcomed and encouraged.
And on a side note, while at the Ft. Knox dealer, I witnessed a damaged Patriot safe. They were in contact with Canon for the customer. I didn't catch the exact model, but it was roughly 60"x30"x30" from what I could tell. It belonged to a local pharmacy and was NOT bolted down. It was targeted during a rash of pharmacy burglaries last year. It was tipped onto it's face and struck with a sledge hammer on the back side. The sales rep said it was 12 gauge steel. All I had was my sorry cell phone camera.
No other damage to safe. They got all the drugs they needed through that hole.
I want a box to store three long guns, several pistols and documents. I will probably end up getting a small fire safe that fits in the gun box for the papers. It is going in a closet, bolted down. I'm trying to protect them from my kid, her friends and smash and grab thieves. It'd be nice to slow a pro down, but I can't stretch the budget that far.
With that being said, my choices are the Amsec BF 6032 or the Fort Knox Defender 6026. I wish Amsec had a BF that was only 24" or 26" wide, but they don't. So I'd squeeze the 6032 in. If I go with the Ft. Knox, I'd stay with the 26" wide 6026.
BF:
Made in U.S.A.
UL RSC Burglary Listed
Lifetime warranty
90 min./1272 degrees "Mercury" fire rating
5 active locking bolts open side, 5 dead bolts hinge side
Exterior hinges
1/2" steel plate door + DryLight ?
2" body. I believe 10 ga. outer, DryLight, then ? ga inner liner maybe??
Amsec's own mechanical lock (Group II)
Defender:
Made in U.S.A.
UL RSC Burglary Listed
Lifetime warranty, to include flood (I'm in Houston)
90 min./1680 degrees "Certified Fire" rating
11 active locking bolts, all four sides
Interior hinges
10 ga. steel + UL fireboard + 1/4 steel plate door
1 1/2 body. 10 gau outer + ???
S&G mechanical lock (Group II)
Both are in the same price range. The BF is bigger, but in my case that is not necessarily better since I'm strapped for space. I'd sacrifice a little if I go with the BF. They are both UL RSC. They both have 90 minute fire ratings from "independent" companies. The Defender has more active bolts. The BF has exterior hinges, but the box is going against the wall, so I can't utilize the wider opening door. They both have 10 ga bodies. The BF has 1/2 steel plate door. I think the Defender has 1/4 steel plate, but not positive. Visually, the Defender has a thicker door. The Defender has fully adjustable shelves on both sides, The BF's second from top shelf is stationary. You can only adjust the shelves on one side. The Defender uses an S&G lock. Amsec uses their own lock.
So, I guess it comes down to personal experiences and/or their customer service. The Amsec will come from a lock and safe company. The Ft. Knox is from a Ft. Knox dealer, but they do their own service and deliveries. Both will deliver and bolt down for the same price. Ted Nugent endorses Ft. Knox .
Here's a quick shot of Ft. Knox's nifty "Certified Fire" sticker that mimics the UL decal:
And here's a shot of the Defender's door, FWIW:
No BF inner door pics available.
Opinions are welcomed and encouraged.
And on a side note, while at the Ft. Knox dealer, I witnessed a damaged Patriot safe. They were in contact with Canon for the customer. I didn't catch the exact model, but it was roughly 60"x30"x30" from what I could tell. It belonged to a local pharmacy and was NOT bolted down. It was targeted during a rash of pharmacy burglaries last year. It was tipped onto it's face and struck with a sledge hammer on the back side. The sales rep said it was 12 gauge steel. All I had was my sorry cell phone camera.
No other damage to safe. They got all the drugs they needed through that hole.