An American Dictatorship?

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This is not new stuff! Continuity of Operations plans which place special emergency powers in the president have been part of our national policy structure since the start of the cold war. In the type of emergency these plans are directed at there is simply no way decisions can be left to committees (ie congress). If the missles are inbound someone has to react now and when the dust settles the job of survival requires on strong leadership and clear lines of authority. Have you all forgotten the lessons of the Cold War?
 
Basically, one needs to understand that documents like these have two aspects to them that a court finds applicable. The first is the actual words used, the second is intent. For this reason I understand how some people have suggested that it is OK, or that it is nothing new and therefore nothing to be afraid of, and on the other hand, the Tin-Foil-Hat-People, myself included, who read not the words so much as the intent.

This "Federal Memo" (for lack of a better terminology) was written by Elitists and polished by Lawyers. Each Article overlaps the next and at the same time enhances unknown Federal Powers, but lacks from where these Federal Powers emanate. This "Memo" if unchallenged become Law the same way that the Federal Income Tax "Law" became "Law", by not ever having been challenged.

The fact that the Constitution is mentioned in the 3rd Article and not the first already had me on my toes. It also has shown intent by writing "...our form of Government under the Constitution...", it goes on, in that same Article (3) "...and the continuing performance of National Essential Functions under all conditions", which means what? How would a court friendly with the powers-to-be define this?
For those that aren't convinced, Article 5 continues in the same manner with 5(c) being less important than 5(a) and 5(b). 11(c) overthrows your confidentiality and allows Michael Chertoff (a dual citizen?) to sieze all firearm records.

Nowhere is the Unites States Congress or Senate mentioned, nor are the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Michael Chertoff is mentioned EVERYWHERE, and he is involved in everything from Military, to Legal to foreign and Domestic.

Article 22 says it all, "(22) Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

This is the main intent and its precise wording of Directive 67, "...is to ensure survival of a constitutional form of government and the continuity of essential Federal functions", note that the term Constitutional was written before the word Federal in the Presidential Directive that Michael Chertoff wants to revoke? The whole document is hyperlinked here http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd/pdd-67.htm


“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.” Thomas Paine

“That government is best which governs least.” Thomas Paine

I think it is fair to say that this document is written in a manner to take precedent over the Constitution and to confuse any that try to oppose it. It is an ominous document which reveals the true mindset of a government that fears it's constituents, and that, scares the living daylights out of me.

Watch Jerusalem to understand the politics this document represents (Pharisees and Saducees of old are reincarnated in a modern Israel where Zionism is misunderstood to be a Judaic concept, misunderstood especially by those Jews and Christians faithful to the Bible) when all it is, is a concept of corruption which led to the destruction of the Temple's and the scattering of the Jews, Hebrews and Israelites amongst the Nations. Today's Jerusalem, has no Constitution, nor does it follow the Biblical Laws, in fact, it villifies the Bible just as many of our own Liberals do, this is where we are heading too as one can plainly see here. Both the symbolic removal of the Ten Commandments from Court lawns, and the symbolic removal of Pledging Allegiance to The Flag leads us to Laws and away from Justice via the Constitution.

These are the words:
I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All.

This is the intent:
I Promise to be faithful and true to the emblem that stands for and represents all 50 states, each of them individual, and individually represented on the flag yet formed into a UNION of one Nation. And I also pledge my loyalty to the Government that is itself a Republic, a form of government where the PEOPLE are sovereign, this government also being represented by the Flag to which I promise loyalty. These 50 individual states are united as a single Republic under the Divine providence of God, "our most powerful source" (according to the words of President Eisenhower) and can not be separated. (This part of the original version of the pledge was written just 50 years after the beginning of the Civil War and demonstrates the unity sought in the years after that divisive period in our history). The people of this Nation being afforded the freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness",
And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle, And these principles afforded to EVERY AMERICAN, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, or any other criteria. Just as the flag represents 50 individual states that can not be divided or separated, this Nation represents millions of people who can not be separated or divided.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/hallofheroes/1st_floor/flag/1bfc_pledge.html
 
This is the main intent and its precise wording of Directive 67, "...is to ensure survival of a constitutional form of government and the continuity of essential Federal functions"

Really? The above quote is a paraphrase and the linked document contains the following note:

The text of PDD-67 has not been released, and there is no White House Factsheet summarizing its provisions.

At least we know what the current document says.

Presidential Decision Directive 67 replaced the Bush Administration's NSD 69 "Enduring Constitutional Government" of 02 June 1992, which in turn succeeded NSD 37 "Enduring Constitutional Government" of 18 April 1990 and NSDD 55 "Enduring National Leadership" of 14 September 1982.

Don't you wonder what those earlier documents said....

But never mind, because GWB is an idiot and madman who is carefully laying the groundwork for dictatorship. :what:
 
"But never mind, because GWB is an idiot and madman who is carefully laying the groundwork for dictatorship."


I agree.
 
George is my friend and when he establishes his new dictatorship I request that I be declared Earl of Hampton Roads and Lord of Hatteras.

You may kiss my ring.

:neener:
 
Paranoia I'd say.

Kaylee, I would tend to agree with you, but the constant wearing away of our rights is what worries me. It's not this President or maybe the next I fear, but the one after that or the one after that.
 
First, I skimmed the governmentese gobledygook, and didn't see anything suggesting the groundwork for dictatorship.

A few hours later, nobody seemed to notice that this is a mountain out of a molehill, so I went back, and carefully read it, word for word.

Yup, still a molehill.
 
I'm sure you guys read the news. Remember back a few years ago when people were flying planes into buildings and killing hundreds and thousands of people in one fell swoop? Remember that the white house and capitol building were believed to be on the target list? Remember the concern expressed by all and sundry that taking out a large number of our legislators and elected officials would, legally, bring government to a standstill because of laws requiring so many to be in attendance before laws could be made or action taken? Among other things the discussion addressed the notion that Congress would go into recess until new representatives could be elected or appointed as dictated by the laws of the several states. I'm sure you remember all that.

Now, do you also remember the clamor for "something to be done" so that effective government could continue in the event of such a catastrophic event? Well, this is part of the "something."

If you have a better plan for dealing with the issue let your representatives in Washington know what it is. In the meantime, lash down your tin-foil hat and keep your eye peeled for the helicopters... the black ones only fly at night, you know. In the daytime they use the light gray ones.
 
......and there are better ways of doing it then taking away rights in the process. Keep trusting government, 6 million Jews trusted their Government all the way until it was too late to rectify their mistake once they realized their folly. I'm proud of my Tin-Foil-Hat, at least if I'm wrong, all I have to do is accept your sarcasm and disdain, if I'm right, all you need to know is I will say Kaddish on your grave.
 
We are falling victim to the fundamental principle that power corrupts. And those in power are excersising an old roman tradition of misdirecting the populace so they won't notice what's going on, the old bread and circuses trick. As long as the sheeple have the plasma screens showing Monday night football, an abundance of beer and pizza for all they really can't be bothered to pay attention to the shenanigans of the career pollys preparing to convert us from the socialist county we have become to an enslaved populace.

I see no hope for change emanating from the righteous wrath of the people over the destruction of our freedoms by beltway bullys. What I do see is a huge backlash when the bread becomes to expensive and hard to get because the oil industry bought and paid for DC years ago and now cannot
provide enough energy to continue the orgy of excess that we as a country have become addicted to. When people start feeling the belt tighten because energy costs and the decrease in available oil for transport decreases the supply of goods and drives the prices up they will start paying attention
to the antics of the DC clowns. But until life becomes economically painful
the average voter doesn't give a red rats backside about what goes on in DC
regarding rights, freedom or the future.

The foundation for the mechanisms needed to nullify our government and replace it with a dictatorship are now firmly in place. All that remains is for the necessary emergency to occur so that the wheels can be put into motion, or for an unscrupulous polly to create the emergency giving the the excuse to let leash the wolves they have penned up and waiting.
 
I think that bush would love for something like this to happen! I truly believe that he is looking for anything to stay in power and I know that is probably and asinine statement

Giving the gov't this much power is way out of it in my mind
 
Look how often the term "annual" pops up. An "emergency" that lasts for years? The other branches bought off with vague promises of "comity" and respect? Federalism flushed? This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
 
Giving the gov't this much power is way out of it in my mind.

Okay. Test question for anyone who is worried that this document somehow empowers the president with dictatorial powers: in your own words, tell us what powers this directive confers.
 
...hmm...

...You waskawee wabble...Heaw wabblewabblewabble...can you say patriot act?
...I knew that you could...Got ammo? It's gotta' become the trade goods of the near future...and ...hey, wait a minute...
I didn't see Harry Tuttle mentioned as facilitator of everything electronical mentioned...hmmm...must be under the Brazil Directive ...
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Test question for anyone who is worried that this document somehow empowers the president with dictatorial powers: in your own words, tell us what powers this directive confers.

let me scroll back for a moment....it was there somewhere in the middle....
there it is:

(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government.

In my words, through a simple question: How would this President or a future
one interpret and implement "lead the activities of the Federal Government"
and where are the checks against his/her leadership when it goes astray?

After all, that future president in a future disaster situation might feel that
removing firearms from the populace would help w/ COG ;)
 
"Paranoia is the leading edge realization that all things are interrelated." Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Senator.

What must you have before you can see? APCs MBTs in the streets and public declarations of Martial Law?

How do you think we've gotten to where we are? Could it possibly be by legislation such as this which can leave much to interpretation; promising one intent, but later being used in a manner differing from the intent required to get the public to 'buy in'?

Oh, Bush is NOT the one behind this; nor is it requisite that the president even being aware of the implications. However, Bush is reported to have exclaimed that the Constitution is just a damned piece of paper last year. It may be the next president to use this legislation, but it matters not. For those who aren't aware of the Constitutional crises that arose out of the Civil War and WW II you have it codified and publicized for you.
 
Froggy, I don't mean anything personal here, I am sure your blood is as red as mine and your Patriotism as pure as the rest of us, but I have tasted the bitter waters and seen how fast power corrupts. XRayBoy and the rest seem to get it and I think that you do too, but like my mom and her generation that grew up after the Depression, people that were the first to be born American citizens from Irish, Polish, German, Russian lineage, the U.S Government was the "Good Guy", Stalin, Khrushchev, Ulbricht, Erich Honecker were the obvious bad boys. Greece, France and Spain were divided, the UK became ever more Socialist, Australia and New Zealand too far and small to join in or be reckoned, and that perception of the USA always being what it was has led many to not believe what us Tin-Hats say.

How many examples do you need? Please list the U.S Senators and Congressmen who are on the up and up? That are not in the employ of big business? That still have the decency to step down and take responsibility "just becasue", now, even when they are caught with their hands in the till they refuse to step down. Diane Feinstein has immoral contacts with China, is an advocate of gun control but carries a gun in her purse. Blumberg defies the law and has encroached his boundaries by going after Virginia gun stores. The President has one of the most outrageously anti-Constitutional Attorney General's this country has ever seen. A First Lady that has no shame is running for President. A Government that has lied since it's inception (Iraq, The Border). A Congress and Senate that easily sway to public opinion instead of doing the right things (their excuse is that they didn't know the President was lying...yeah right).

It's OK to not want to believe, to not want to open your eyes, it's OK to argue with one, two, even three or five of us, but when the majority of this board confers that there is a real problem and you don't want to agree, that is time to wonder if maybe you are afraid of pulling your head out of the sand. Things aren't going too good Froggy, and it aint Al Quieda doing it, but they are a convinient scape-goat.
 
*SIGH*

Seems that the rules have not changed much since it was discovered the Ruskies had ICBMs. Seems survivalists have not changed much since then either. The cast of characters has moved around a little I guess. But the end is always near, so it seems.

I will admit the world has proven to be a scarier place to some people since 911 and Katrina but what everyone seems to be overlooking is the obvious; If all of the resources of the federal government couldn't put a lock on a medium sized city that had been 90% evacuated what makes anyone think they would be able to impose authority when bad things were happening just about everywhere? If the best the local thugs could do was send SWAT to knock little old ladies with pea shooters over the head what makes you think that they could be a threat to anyone who was actually serious? That would take some doing...
 
Titan, you just answered it yourself. SWAT knocked little old lady's on the head, they left the thugs alone. That's the Government we now have, and it can only get worse.
 
"Why he can keep his head buried in the sand I'll never know... "

I have an acquaintance who would rather not face what his wife does when he is not around than face the truth and be forced to come to some decision. For him, staying buried in the sand is the easy way out, not very heroic but then again, nothing to exert oneself either.
 
"1. Heck, aren't we still in the "state of emergency" FDR declared once upon a time? I don't recall that ever going away."

I thought it started with Lincoln, and he didn't need no stinking memo.

"Among the 13,000 people arrested under martial law was a Maryland Secessionist, John Merryman. Immediately, Hon. Roger B. Taney, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States issued a writ of habeas corpus commanding the military to bring Merryman before him. The military refused to follow the writ. Justice Taney, in Ex parte MERRYMAN, then ruled the suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional because the writ could not be suspended without an Act of Congress. President Lincoln and the military ignored Justice Taney's ruling."
 
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