An article about self-defense firearms, in the Isthmus (Madison, WI)

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This article was the cover story of a free local paper called the Isthmus that publishes once a week. From what I have seen of it, it has a bit of a liberal bias, but tries to write most of the articles fairly. The semantics of the article suggest to me that the author had quite a struggle seeing it from both sides.

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php?article=5652

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Maund’s collection began with a purchase at a sporting goods store in New York City. Signs in the window promoted an early bear hunt upstate. Tired of “living in all those concrete caverns so divorced from nature,” Maund bought a shotgun, drove to Lake Placid and wandered the woods for a weekend. He never even pushed a shell into the chamber.

Later, Maund came to love the thrill of sport shooting, becoming an expert at hitting a clay target still on the rise. He calls the requisite aim, motion and timing “like golf with a gun.”

But for Maund, more and more, guns hold weightier significance. He has noticed insidious changes in his neighborhood. Threats marching inexorably toward his house. He has been taking stock of what he has, and what it would mean to lose it. Despite his apparent idyllic domestication, Maund does not sleep in comfort when he locks his door at night.

“I wish that we could live in a society where I wouldn’t have to be frightened,” Maund says from the makeshift office in his basement, “But, frankly, I’m frightened living here. Right here, in this house.”

This unease keeps Maund alert on his nightly walks with his black Lab, Zip. Last year, he found a purse in the park across the street that held an empty wallet and not much else, what Maund calls an “obvious theft-and-discard.” He says he sees gang graffiti on signs at the neighborhood park and found a throwing knife on his property.

Not long ago, someone rang his doorbell in the early evening, but Maund didn’t answer. The next night, on the way out the door with Zip, he spotted a figure in his yard, halfway down the driveway. Before Maund could say anything, the silhouetted figure quietly turned and walked away. It is enough, Maund says, to make anyone feel threatened.

“There’s heightened alertness on my part,” he says, “extra security, where I have to lock myself in my own house, being uncomfortable with leaving a window open in the summertime. And it’s not paranoia on my part. It’s real evidence.”

In her new book, Gun Show Nation: Gun Culture and American Democracy, author Joan Burbick probes the psyche of gun owners. She concludes that the language of gun rights is founded on a historical narrative of America’s past, one that stresses “rugged individualism” and Wild West bravura.

Contrary to popular belief, Burbick writes, the political movement to protect gun ownership is not something “passed down from our muzzle-loading forefathers.” Rather, the modern pro-gun movement is relatively new, a product of the turbulent 1960s.

At the heart of the debate are varying interpretations of the Second Amendment. The amendment is only one sentence long, and open to interpretation: “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Pro-gun lobbies have always focused on the last half of the amendment, the “right of the people.” It is straightforward, and easy to rally behind. But to single out only these words effectively removes government from the equation. Burbick contends this would have “disturbed our founding fathers,” who were clear to reference a well-regulated militia.

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This mindset has also made passing a law allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons a cause célèbre among gun advocates. They point to such laws in other states as proof that their system of self-protection ensures civic safety.

The watershed moment for concealed carry in America occurred in the mid-1990s. Although some states already allowed the practice, a dramatic spike in crime rates across the nation and relentless lobbying by the National Rifle Association (NRA) prompted a majority of others to adopt concealed-carry laws. Today, only Washington D.C., Illinois and Wisconsin bar all forms of concealed carry, although some states restrict this privilege to only a few.

Advocates of these laws like to cite the subsequent drop in national crime rates as proof that this method was a smashing success. But, in the late 1990s, crime dropped in all states, and the evidence is, if anything, muddled.

Gun groups often point to Vermont, saying its lack of regulations on concealed carry has made it the “safest state in the nation.” Actually, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, Vermont ranks a respectable 48th in terms of violent crime rates. Meanwhile, Wisconsin, where carrying concealed weapons is not allowed, has the 43rd highest rate.

And then there is Minnesota. For years, that state had a “may issue” system, where law enforcement officials have discretion on whether to grant licenses, which in effect made them available to only a few. But in 2003 it switched to a “shall issue” system, meaning that citizens who meet the requirements can’t be denied.

Now the state is seeing an alarming rise in violent crime, especially in the Twin Cities. Mary-Lewis Grow, a longtime board member of Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says no public health studies support concealed carry as a means of lowering crime rates.

“I don’t want to say there is a direct cause/effect relationship” between the new concealed-carry law and the rise in violent crime, she says. “But what you can clearly say is that the claims of the gun lobby that it will make crime go down are patently false.”

Such laws, Grow notes, are rarely the result of a large public movement. Lawmakers aren’t necessarily responding to a groundswell of concerned constituents, but to an impassioned and well-organized lobby.

In Missouri, for example, voters in 1999 rejected a referendum to allow concealed carry. But the lobbying did not cease, and four years later, the state passed the law anyway. “[The pro-gun lobby] makes life miserable for legislators,” says Grow. “Eventually they say, ‘I just want them to leave me alone.’”

To Grow, the spate of concealed-carry legislation amounts to making laws to suit the psychological needs of the few. “I don’t think these people even represent the mainstream of gun owners,” she says, “but because they do have this borderline paranoid personality, this becomes their life.”

While gun-rights issues don’t define Bill Maund’s life, their influence is undeniable. He is a longtime member of the NRA. He was once a nationally ranked pistol shooter. He’s written about shooting for publications like American Handgunner. And he has been a passionate, articulate and successful spokesman for the right to bear arms.

In 1993, Maund served as chair of the Madison-Area Citizens Against Crime. In that post, he played a pivotal role in shooting down Mayor Paul Soglin’s proposed ban on handguns in the city of Madison. Since then, Maund has continued his advocacy, giving speeches and volunteering in campaigns.

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Like many advocates, Maund starts with a deep distrust of the federal government. Regulations on guns are, effectively, regulations on gun owners. And any victory by those pushing for gun control, no matter how small, only adds to the slow erosion of gun owners’ rights.

“There is a lot of mystery for people who don’t know anything about guns,” he says, “a lot of imagery that is just really inappropriate and sheer ignorance.”

It is this view that brought Maund into the battle against Madison’s proposed handgun ban. He argued that a ban on handguns was pointless because Madison didn’t have a handgun problem. As he told the Wisconsin State Journal, “there is not a bloodbath going on in Madison.”

Fourteen years later, Maund is still passionately supportive of gun rights. But now he sees Madison as an increasingly dangerous place to be: “As an American citizen under the Constitution, I have a legal right to defend myself, and I see a growing need to do that.”

The movement to allow Wisconsin residents to carry concealed weapons hinges on this fear. While supporters stress civic concern and responsibility, the idea boils down to action-movie logic: Get the bad guy before he gets you.

Time and again, concealed-carry advocates tell anecdotes of shootings in public places or of unarmed victims being abducted. When they push for a change in the law, they are essentially pushing for increased scenarios in which would-be criminals are taken down by civic saviors with true aim and a steady trigger finger. Complete trust is placed in gun owners’ ability to respond to tense situations with clear heads and clean shots.

On the extreme end of this vision sits Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc., which proudly bills itself as the state’s only “no compromise” gun lobby group. It is, certainly, the loudest and most persistent voice in the debate. In the 2005-06 legislative session, it even outspent the National Rifle Association, $147,944 to $129,612, on lobbying efforts, according to the Wisconsin Ethics Board. That’s no small feat given the huge push the NRA has made to drag the last remaining states into concealed-carry territory.

While officers and spokespeople for Wisconsin Gun Owners did not respond to numerous interview requests, the group promises on its Web site to never “sell gun owners out to Madison interests.” It also claims that, because of the concealed-carry ban, “countless ‘victims’ have been raped, assaulted and even murdered.” Wisconsin’s 135-year-old law is described in one word: “deadly.”

Last year, a bill to allow concealed weapons sailed through the state Senate and Assembly. Gov. Jim Doyle vetoed the measure, as he’s done before, and a veto override attempt came up two votes shy of the necessary two-thirds majority.

Since then, Doyle has won reelection and Democrats have made gains in both houses. Assembly Speaker Mike Huebsch (R-West Salem), noting its bipartisan support, has suggested that concealed carry will be revived this session. But Democratic control of the state Senate seriously undercuts its chance of passage, or even coming to a vote.

For Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc., this is no big loss, because the group disapproved of Wisconsin’s concealed-carry bill. What it wants is known as Vermont-style concealed carry. Gun owners wishing to carry a weapon would need no license or training certification; they would simply have to show they are U.S. citizens, 16 or older, and not felons.

In the group’s quarterly newsletter, invective is hurled at those who would restrict what citizens can do with their guns. Even longtime concealed-carry supporters like Jim Fendry of the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement and Rep. Scott Gunderson (R-Village of Waterford), who co-sponsored the latest concealed-carry bill, are dismissed as sellouts to the cause.

Corey Graff, Wisconsin Gun Owners’ executive director, writes that other gun rights groups assume that state-regulated gun control is inevitable. But he thinks making any concessions to the “political reality” compromises one’s principles. He heeds a truer calling. “When state politicians send their henchmen out to attack you,” he declares, “you can be sure that you are shooting straight.”

For most concealed-carry advocates, a system of background checks and licenses is essential to producing effective, responsible legislation. Felons, drug addicts and the mentally ill are not the kinds of people these advocates envision toting guns around.

...[Section with Larry Gleasman, owner of local Grandpa's Gun Shop. He supports licensing CCW, says that he would carry, and wishes two recent University of Wisconsin student sexual assault victims had the option of a gun to defend themselves]...

...What would you do if you were asleep in bed and someone just broke down your door?

There are only two answers, really. And they reveal a lot about a person. If you are the sort who rarely worries about violent crime, your answer would be, “Call the police.” But, if you are like Maund and realize that a lock on a door is a mostly symbolic defense, you’ll know exactly what to do.

“I mean the police, they’re good after the fact, but they can’t be with you all the time,” says Maund. “You don’t have that trained civil protection to help you if something like that happens.”

Thinking like this means carrying a weight of worry around all the time. One must always be on guard.

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When asked if it gets tiring, constantly worrying about needing to suddenly thwart some violent encounter, Maund redefines his vigilance. “It’s not worry,” he says, “it’s concern. And, you know, you take precautions. You just make sure your door is locked and your gun is loaded.”
 
[/Quote Now the state is seeing an alarming rise in violent crime, especially in the Twin Cities. Mary-Lewis Grow, a longtime board member of Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says no public health studies support concealed carry as a means of lowering crime rates.

“I don’t want to say there is a direct cause/effect relationship” between the new concealed-carry law and the rise in violent crime, she says. “But what you can clearly say is that the claims of the gun lobby that it will make crime go down are patently false.” /Quote]

I wonder if any of the increase in the violent crime numbers can be corrollated to the increase in concealed weapons. I'd be interested to see statistics that said (for example) "In 2000 (or pre-CCW), there were z number of shooting deaths in X city. Y number of those deaths involved people legally able to CCW, while in 2006 (after one full year of permitted CCW), there were z number of shooting deaths. Y number of those deaths involved CCW holders. This would allow a reader to understand the real impact of CCW.

I would bet that where CCW is practiced, there is a negligable if any increase in shooting deaths, while the vast increase in shooting deaths would be caused by people who don't, or could not legally, CCW.
 
I like that the article centers around a man with valid fears for his safety, but the article pieces surrounding it label him as a paranoid minority, suffering from "constantly worrying about needing to suddenly thwart some violent encounter." The article does not paint him as a complete nut (though, the front page of the paper is an artistic drawing of someone resembling Maund holding up a pistol in his right hand and using his left hand to peek through the blinds on his window). There has been a surge in crime in the area, and gang activity is on the rise. There are 3 different police departments that monitor the UW campus area (UWPD, Capital Police, City of Madison PD), and yet a year ago there was a rash of random students, usually walking home alone and drunk, jumped by groups, severely beaten, and robbed (sample article about these incidents). Gang graffitti now adorns something on just about every block along major roads. Two weeks ago, a guy walked into a dorm room, grabbed a girl by the neck, and told her and her roommate to give them all of their money (here is an article on the incident). Additionally, 2006 saw the most bank robberies in Madison sine 2001, with 22 compared to 19.

People do have a reason to feel unsafe, and do have the right to protect themselves. I am particularly glad that they had a piece towards the end that asked, "What would you do if you were asleep in bed and someone just broke down your door?" Most answer they would call the police, but "if you...realize that a lock on a door is a mostly symbolic defense, you’ll know exactly what to do," which is defend your life with whatever means necessary.

Unfortunately, they portray the NRA and the Wisconsin Gun Owners Group as groups of fanatics and political juggernauts trying to override the public's interests with cash. Unquoted above, Larry Gleasman of Grandpa's Gun Shop says of Vermont-style CCW that this idea is "just not going to pass." "Absolutely," he says, "you need licenses.” In contrast to both, the article cites Joan Burbick's book as a sound rebuttal to any advocates of allowing concealed carry. I have not read the book, but this seems like just one more swing in a statistical boxing match.

Overall, though, I am glad that it brings attention to the topic with multiple perspectives on the issue.

Steve N said:
I wonder if any of the increase in the violent crime numbers can be corrollated to the increase in concealed weapons
From what I have seen reported, crime overall has reduced throughout the country, and has reduced in concealed-carry states as well. The emphasis, for me, is on the fact that violence does not rise after states allow CCW. If it's not harming people, why should it be illegal? It doesn't need to demonstrate a reduction in violence or crime.
 
A google search on Joan Burbick yielded this.
White male political power play? Good grief, that's as bad as the "gun=phallic symbol" argument...

BuzzFlash: Do you agree that many gun rights enthusiasts -- the hard-core NRA members or fringe gun rights members -- are not necessarily advancing their own best interests in terms of focusing on the gun as a solution to their social anxiety?

Joan Burbick: Absolutely. I think the challenge is to put the gun down and speak about the society, and how to fit into it, in terms of collective solutions.
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BuzzFlash: In the closing paragraph of your book, you wrote: “How much easier it is to believe in the politics of the gun and to fight for our right to be armed, than to step in front of the gun and build social and civil institutions that sustain our society and promote economic and political justice? The gun is ultimately a shortcut, a strategy to sidestep consent. Our will to engage in democracy is what is at stake. The question remains: Can we put aside the lethal politics of the gun and take up again the challenge of democracy?”

What is your forecast?

Joan Burbick: I’ve certainly heard the argument from the conservative gun rights movement over and over again over the last few years. And to me, it’s hollow. I think there is real energy in the United States to address meaningful change. And the Second Amendment as a political weapon is just a hollow strategy.

Sorry for jacking the thread, but I just had to share...
 
Ah yes... they quote WGO as a be-all, end-all gun rights group in Wisconsin.. :barf:

A major portion of that huge sum Corey spent went to help defeat Dave Zien: THE best friend we had in the senate. This is what Corey thinks is a god strategy to promote gun rights in WI: get rid of the most consistant ally we had?

For those who aren't aware: do a search here on "Wisconsin Gun Owners", or "Corey Graff". Talk to Monkeyleg about the nonsence that he's ahd to deal with. THEN tell me about WGO, and how pro-gun they really are...
 
oh, the poor dear politicians have to yeild to their bosses, the people.

“[The pro-gun lobby] makes life miserable for legislators,” says Grow. “Eventually they say, ‘I just want them to leave me alone.’”

Keep up the good work!
Letters, phone calls and voting them out if all else fails seems to be working.
I've read tripe from Grow before, she ignores all the women shooting today.
I bet she hates that the womens Olympic team is always getting medals for shooting.

The lefties hate gun shows because they are great places to organize and inform the gun buying public.

Thats why the they rally against them.
 
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