An editorial on Sunshine Week by the RT

How does this Editorial Come across?

  • They haven't learned their lesson

    Votes: 21 75.0%
  • They have learned their lesson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Demeaning, in an arrogant kind of way

    Votes: 11 39.3%
  • Informed, and well meaning

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Obviously these idiots haven't learned their lesson. It's time to respond folks!

http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/112456

Privacy vs. the right to know
The General Assembly needs to strike a delicate balance in dealing with whether a list of concealed carry holders should be public.

The decision of the Virginia State Police to close its list of residents licensed to carry a concealed weapon is unfortunate, but it probably won't be the final word.

Perhaps the General Assembly can bring better clarity to the situation next year.

This editorial page bears no small measure of responsibility for this decision -- which comes after Attorney General Bob McDonnell issued an opinion at the request of Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg.

Nutter was reacting to outrage prompted by our online publication of a database of concealed carry holders in the state in conjunction with an editorial writer's column marking Sunshine Week, a celebration of open government.

As we noted previously, we made errors in judgment and process in the original decision to put the database online: We should have given fuller thought to the potential safety concerns of concealed carry holders who were law enforcement officers or victims of crimes and domestic violence, and we should have had a more compelling public purpose for posting the list.

But our mistakes cannot justify closing the door on this information.

There are important reasons for the public to know who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon.

By matching a similar list against other databases, for instance, reporters for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel were able to find that more than 1,400 convicted felons, including sex offenders, had managed to get a concealed carry permit. Hundreds of others kept their permits despite convictions for behaving recklessly with firearms.

Virginia may not have that problem, but if this list remains shrouded in secrecy, there will be no way to verify that.

The General Assembly should make changes in the law. State police should be able to redact the names of crime victims and law enforcement officers before releasing the list, for instance.

But a blanket ban on release of the list will not serve the public.

In his opinion, McDonnell said the state police had the "discretionary authority" to release the list, but also the responsibility not to release "sensitive personal information when the interests of public safety demand discretion."

As Frosty Landon, head of the Virginia Coalition for Open Government said, "We've got to be very careful that the law is clear, and bureaucrats aren't left scratching their heads as to what is sensitive personal information and what isn't."

The General Assembly will undoubtedly address this issue next session.

Legislators will be challenged to find a way to balance the valid concerns of law-abiding permit holders who have reason to fear for their safety if their personal information is made too readily available against the public's need and right to know whether the wrong people have been able to obtain concealed carry permits.

Open government is a vital principle in a democracy. When government is by the assent of the people, the presumption should always be against the government withholding information from the people.

The real world, of course, can be more complicated than that. The difficult task facing legislators will be thoughtfully consider competing interests and concerns.
 
No, Mr. Editor, you did not make "errors of judgment". You attempted to incite violence against Virginia gun owners out of your own liberal hate-filled smugness (well, we'll publish the list and get criminals to kill off some of these backwards, hick gun owners and then we'll just say "First Amendment" and that makes it okey-dokey).

I hope this isn't over. I hope you are all held accountable in criminal court.
 
There are important reasons for the public to know who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon.

By matching a similar list against other databases, for instance, reporters for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel were able to find that more than 1,400 convicted felons, including sex offenders, had managed to get a concealed carry permit. Hundreds of others kept their permits despite convictions for behaving recklessly with firearms.

First, the author does not provide a link to back this claim up.

Secondly, why would a convicted felon bother to get a permit at all? They are by definition law-breaker’s, why would they bother?
 
There's lotsa stuff that I may have a right to know, but there's no particular need to know beyond general snoopiness into other folks' business. The knowing won't make my life any better.

Insofar as a CHL, if I'm dumb enough to think that knowing who has one is important to my life, I can go to the appropriate state office and find out.

Most newspaper blattings of personal information are about as sensible as a five-year-old's running to a group of adults to report he saw somebody make poopie.

Art
 
listings

Mass had the same trouble with the boston globe.unbelievable the state legislature voted to ban the disclosure of the names.:neener:
 
>State police should be able to redact the names of
> crime victims and law enforcement officers before
> releasing the list, for instance.

And I suppose anybody who's simply been threatened, or has to cross a dark parking lot when they leave work, or lives in a bad neighborhood, or has to carry large amounts of money, etc. etc. etc, should have their names and addresses published? How do the State Police decide who should and shouldn't have their names published? Does one have to wait to become a crime victim before getting a license? The whole point in publishing these lists is to attempt to "shame" people into dropping their license or preventing others from applying. Typical, arrogant, elitist, leftist, bullsh*t.
Marty
 
But our mistakes cannot justify closing the door on this information.
I don't know how it doesn't. Sometimes you want to think your children can be left home alone but if they show they're too irresponsible you have no choice. The RT has shown the very reason why this action must be taken.
 
I think it's high time to bombard them AGAIN with letters and such.
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My letter:

After reading your article on Sunshine Week I was struck by how little you've learned from controversy. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be. There's a big difference in one person filing a FOIA and getting a list for him/herself, to a paper publishing a CCW list for the entire public to read for free.

Whether or not you've caught your alleged 1400 people that shouldn't have licenses, it is NOT your job. If law enforcement wants to, they can find these people. If you as a paper feel that they should, you can say so but to publish the list was irresponsible.

Remember CCW holders have jumped thru hoops to be able to get their CCW. They are by a overwhelming percentage, law abiding citizens and to turn around and equate them to sex offenders is reprehensible. Criminals who have guns don't go thru CCW programs, they get their guns illegally. Maybe your paper should work on getting a list for them.
 
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