An OK judge rules that the law banning marijuana users from possesing guns is unconstitutional

[Styx]

Well, for starters -- in my job (I've recently retired), I had to deal with these folks on a daily basis. And the consequences led to an insufferable amount of paperwork. And affected so many others who didn't share the proclivities of the players. Often by inflicting serious bodily injury, or death.

Operating motor vehicles while under the influence of any substance, or simply going about one's daily routine while under the influence of any substance, in settings that can impact the health and well-being of others, is NOT a constitutional right. I don't give a damn if you're otherwise a "productive member of society."

Well guess what, that's the price of freedom and not living in a police state. Some people will abuse alcohol, prescription pills, and even the right to own firearms. Using your same logic I guess we should ban all guns because some people abuse the right?

Furthermore, it's your conjured up assumption that there are a ton of accidents happening all of a sudden because people smoke weed. While I do NOT support being under the influence of anything while driving, unlike you I believe we should punish those who break the law and NOT everyone else (via blanketed bans) who are NOT driving while under the influence. I certainly do not believe that they should have their rights to own or buy firearms while NOT being under the influence should happen either. You do know pot smokers aren't under the influence of pot 24/7 7days a week after only smoking one joint. The effect wear off from 10 minutes to only 4 hours depending on if it was inhaled or ingested.

 

[Old Dog]

Well guess what, that's the price of freedom and not living in a police state. Some people will abuse alcohol, prescription pills, and even the right to own firearms. Using your same logic I guess we should ban all guns because some people abuse the right?

Please do not conflate gun ownership with behavioral issues. I'm okay with the "price of freedom" and "not living in a police state." I'm simply not okay with folks that believe that regular usage by the citizenry of mind-altering substances does not create negative consequences to the society. I include alcohol use among that.

Furthermore, it's your conjured up assumption that there are a ton of accidents happening all of a sudden because people smoke weed.

Nope, never said that. Said that I have observed consequences of this behavior. I live in a state that legalized pot not all that long ago, so it has been fairly simple to track the increase in accidents.

 

[Styx]

Please do not conflate gun ownership with behavioral issues. I'm okay with the "price of freedom" and "not living in a police state." I'm simply not okay with folks that believe that regular usage by the citizenry of mind-altering substances does not create negative consequences to the society. I include alcohol use among that.

Okay then be against carrying a firearm while someone is under the influence ONLY. If someone smokes pot on Monday morning, they will NOT be under the Monday afternoon. Even still you feel as if they shouldn't have the right to purchase a firearm Monday evening???

Nope, never said that. Said that I have observed consequences of this behavior. I live in a state that legalized pot not all that long ago, so it has been fairly simple to track the increase in accidents.

IMHO your judgment is clouded by your bias. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When you have a bias and prejudice against marijuana, everything that goes wrong is blamed for it.

 

[Old Dog]

Okay then be against carrying a firearm while someone is under the influence ONLY. If someone smokes pot on Monday morning, they will NOT be under the Monday afternoon. Even still you feel as if they shouldn't have the right to purchase a firearm Monday evening???

IMHO your judgment is clouded by your bias. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When you have a bias and prejudice against marijuana, everything that goes wrong is blamed for it.

I said nothing about denying pot-smokers' rights to buy or possess firearms. I have no particular bias against marijuana as opposed to any other substance, including alcohol. I'm simply stating that I have witnessed the negative effects of using these substances, including marijuana, over the past 43 years.

I support the right of any American citizen who has not been convicted of a felony offense, to purchase, possess and carry firearms.

But with rights, comes responsibility. And frankly, my take is that those who routinely indulge in mind-altering substances, to include alcohol when used to excess, are not responsibly exercising their rights.

 

[tarosean]

Heavy users get an ounce a day. No need to get it off the street. The cost difference is not much, if you are thinking about low grade marijuana then yes it's cheaper. But the higher grade is same cost, if not cheaper.

I think that depends on individual states and how much the have added through bureaucracy. I am not a user, so I do not have 1st hand experience. Only anecdotal 2nd hand from long time friends across the US.

 

[Charlie Martinez]

Whether it's booze, drugs or marijuana irresponsible or stupid people will do what they do regardless of laws. We have more laws today than during any other time in our history and crime is at it's worst. We don't need more laws. We need more or better law enforcement.

 

[alsaqr]

My son lives in OK and there is dang near a dispensary on every corner

Yes. Over ten percent of Okies have medical marijuana permits. At it's peak there were over 9,000 licensed marijuana grow operations in Oklahoma. As of December, 2022 there were about 7,000.

BTW: Medical marijuana came about after petitioners in OK collected enough signatures on a petition to put the legalization of medical marijuana to a vote. State Question 788, The Oklahoma Medical Marijuana and Patient Protection Act, passed with prohibitions against creating new laws. Much Oklahoma grown marijuana is shipped out of state illegally. There are thousands of foreigners involved in OK marijuana grow operations.

On 7 March we will vote on the legalization of recreational marijuana. i never smoked pot and have no personal knowledge of its effects on humans. i was required to deal with several lazy pot smokers in the US Army. i'll vote no on 7 March.

 

[GEM]

Intoxicants have a history to beginning of our recorded history and probably before. Animals seeking them in the wild is well known. You are spitting into the tide if you think this desire can be eliminated or controlled through legislation.

In NYS, if you get a medical card - you can't buy a gun. Folks with cancer thus lose their rights to defend themselves. Just as we say, that if you commit a crime, then you lose your guns, if you commit a criminal act under the influence, then rights might be examined, not before.

 

[rust collector]

Time to wrap this up. Bickering is not helpful.