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While CENTRALIZED STORAGE MIGHT have a nice ring in the ears of some, readers should consider the following. Being a GOOD CITIZEN, hale fellow, well met and so on, you go along with this idea. Comes a weekend hunting trip or a match, and you approach this CENTRALIZED DEPOT, intent on for a short time, recovering YOUR GOODS. So sorry sir, you hear, it seems that The
Chief Clerk, or whomever it might be that is The Keeper of The Keys has gone off on a lengthy trip, vacation, maternity leave, hospitalization, the possibilities are really endless, and sad to note, only he, she or they had, take your pick, the keys or combination. Check back with us in a few months, at which time, WE MIGHT have more information for you. Given that situation, not all that far out you know, does this idea of CENTRALIZED STORAGE, of course, all for your own good, still have that pleasant ring to it. Read on people, read on.
MEDIA RELEASE: Toronto Mayor says No Reason to Have Guns at Home
STANLEY NOTE: Coming to America, incrementally... Americans will fall for it as well. Sad... The evil that is moving us towards the One World Government and the destruction of individual rights is an abomination. Most folks who are politically correct are welcoming this. Might as well just step into the fire.
----- Forwarded message from [email protected] -----
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:27:20 -0000
Subject: Toronto Mayor says No Reason to Have Guns at Home
To: [email protected]
Dear Rick,
I came across this article about guns, which I think you may want to read, and possibly post as an Opinion Release or Media Release.
Sincerely,
Deborah Reid
http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/wisdomforcourts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wisepeople
--- In [email protected], "D. Reid" <deborahgailreid@y...>
wrote:
James Cowan
Toronto Mayor: No Reason to Have Guns at Home
Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:57am
Toronto Mayor: No Reason to Have Guns at Home
National Post | August 17 2005
By James Cowan
Gun owners in Toronto may soon be prohibited from keeping their
firearms at home even if they are properly licensed and registered, Mayor David Miller said yesterday.
"There's no reason to own a gun in Toronto -- collector or not. If
you are a collector and you have a permit, the guns need to be stored in a way that they can't be stolen. And perhaps a centralized facility of some kind could accomplish that goal," Mr. Miller told the National Post. "The law requires gun owners to have proper storage, but obviously not everyone adheres to that."
Following a spate of shootings in Toronto, the Mayor has asked city lawyers and the police to determine whether the municipality has the "legal ability" to require individuals to store their weapons at a secure facility such as a gun club.
"It's a very serious issue and I don't have all the answers to it,
but I've spoken to the [Police] Chief as well as our own legal
department to see what we can do," Mr. Miller said.
The Mayor has repeatedly blamed lax gun laws in the United States for some of Toronto's violence, saying half of the firearms in the city originated in the United States.
While pressing the federal government to stem the smuggling of guns across the border, Mr. Miller said steps must also be taken steps to address domestic gun problems.
"I understand there was one theft from a collector two years ago,
where some of the guns were recovered after being used in murders in Toronto," he said.
Police have also speculated a theft in June of 46 handguns, along
with three rifles and ammunition, from a collector in Port Hope, 100 kilometres east of the city, has contributed to the recent increase in shootings.
Mr. Miller noted several U.S. cities such as Chicago have passed
ordinances restricting handgun ownership. But legal gun owners argue the new rules would only make life simpler for criminals.
"It would just put all the firearms in one place so they could all be
stolen at one time," said Eric Greer of the Ontario Arms Collectors
Association. "That would be a wonderful thing."
Mr. Greer added the Mayor's proposal would not prevent criminals from acquiring weapons, noting Canada enacted its first handgun registry in 1934.
"It hasn't made one iota of difference. And the reason is the people that registered their handguns don't commit the crimes. The people who commit crimes don't register their guns. It's as simple as that," he said.
Other gun owners said they are tired of being conflated with
murderers and thieves.
"There are legal gun owners all over Ontario who don't go around
brandishing their guns, who go through the whole rigamarole to get licensed properly," said Bill, a member of the Maple Leaf Revolver Club, who asked his last name not be used citing safety
concerns. "The Mayor's not thinking properly."
He added most gun owners would support tough sentences for
individuals caught using firearms to commit a crime.
"At most of the clubs, you will hear people say, 'Arrest the guy,
look at the law and if the law says to throw him away for five years or 10 years, do it,' " the gun owner said.
Mr. Miller agreed the courts must be more stringent, noting
individuals caught with weapons currently are routinely released on bail.
"If somebody has a gun, that's illegal, whether or not they've shot
it should be irrelevant. They should be treated like they've shot it
and tried to kill somebody," he said. "So when they come to court,
they shouldn't get out. They should be kept in court until they're
tried.
Source:
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?
id=192635;article=7953;show_parent=1
While CENTRALIZED STORAGE MIGHT have a nice ring in the ears of some, readers should consider the following. Being a GOOD CITIZEN, hale fellow, well met and so on, you go along with this idea. Comes a weekend hunting trip or a match, and you approach this CENTRALIZED DEPOT, intent on for a short time, recovering YOUR GOODS. So sorry sir, you hear, it seems that The
Chief Clerk, or whomever it might be that is The Keeper of The Keys has gone off on a lengthy trip, vacation, maternity leave, hospitalization, the possibilities are really endless, and sad to note, only he, she or they had, take your pick, the keys or combination. Check back with us in a few months, at which time, WE MIGHT have more information for you. Given that situation, not all that far out you know, does this idea of CENTRALIZED STORAGE, of course, all for your own good, still have that pleasant ring to it. Read on people, read on.
MEDIA RELEASE: Toronto Mayor says No Reason to Have Guns at Home
STANLEY NOTE: Coming to America, incrementally... Americans will fall for it as well. Sad... The evil that is moving us towards the One World Government and the destruction of individual rights is an abomination. Most folks who are politically correct are welcoming this. Might as well just step into the fire.
----- Forwarded message from [email protected] -----
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:27:20 -0000
Subject: Toronto Mayor says No Reason to Have Guns at Home
To: [email protected]
Dear Rick,
I came across this article about guns, which I think you may want to read, and possibly post as an Opinion Release or Media Release.
Sincerely,
Deborah Reid
http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/wisdomforcourts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wisepeople
--- In [email protected], "D. Reid" <deborahgailreid@y...>
wrote:
James Cowan
Toronto Mayor: No Reason to Have Guns at Home
Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:57am
Toronto Mayor: No Reason to Have Guns at Home
National Post | August 17 2005
By James Cowan
Gun owners in Toronto may soon be prohibited from keeping their
firearms at home even if they are properly licensed and registered, Mayor David Miller said yesterday.
"There's no reason to own a gun in Toronto -- collector or not. If
you are a collector and you have a permit, the guns need to be stored in a way that they can't be stolen. And perhaps a centralized facility of some kind could accomplish that goal," Mr. Miller told the National Post. "The law requires gun owners to have proper storage, but obviously not everyone adheres to that."
Following a spate of shootings in Toronto, the Mayor has asked city lawyers and the police to determine whether the municipality has the "legal ability" to require individuals to store their weapons at a secure facility such as a gun club.
"It's a very serious issue and I don't have all the answers to it,
but I've spoken to the [Police] Chief as well as our own legal
department to see what we can do," Mr. Miller said.
The Mayor has repeatedly blamed lax gun laws in the United States for some of Toronto's violence, saying half of the firearms in the city originated in the United States.
While pressing the federal government to stem the smuggling of guns across the border, Mr. Miller said steps must also be taken steps to address domestic gun problems.
"I understand there was one theft from a collector two years ago,
where some of the guns were recovered after being used in murders in Toronto," he said.
Police have also speculated a theft in June of 46 handguns, along
with three rifles and ammunition, from a collector in Port Hope, 100 kilometres east of the city, has contributed to the recent increase in shootings.
Mr. Miller noted several U.S. cities such as Chicago have passed
ordinances restricting handgun ownership. But legal gun owners argue the new rules would only make life simpler for criminals.
"It would just put all the firearms in one place so they could all be
stolen at one time," said Eric Greer of the Ontario Arms Collectors
Association. "That would be a wonderful thing."
Mr. Greer added the Mayor's proposal would not prevent criminals from acquiring weapons, noting Canada enacted its first handgun registry in 1934.
"It hasn't made one iota of difference. And the reason is the people that registered their handguns don't commit the crimes. The people who commit crimes don't register their guns. It's as simple as that," he said.
Other gun owners said they are tired of being conflated with
murderers and thieves.
"There are legal gun owners all over Ontario who don't go around
brandishing their guns, who go through the whole rigamarole to get licensed properly," said Bill, a member of the Maple Leaf Revolver Club, who asked his last name not be used citing safety
concerns. "The Mayor's not thinking properly."
He added most gun owners would support tough sentences for
individuals caught using firearms to commit a crime.
"At most of the clubs, you will hear people say, 'Arrest the guy,
look at the law and if the law says to throw him away for five years or 10 years, do it,' " the gun owner said.
Mr. Miller agreed the courts must be more stringent, noting
individuals caught with weapons currently are routinely released on bail.
"If somebody has a gun, that's illegal, whether or not they've shot
it should be irrelevant. They should be treated like they've shot it
and tried to kill somebody," he said. "So when they come to court,
they shouldn't get out. They should be kept in court until they're
tried.
Source:
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?
id=192635;article=7953;show_parent=1
