And we should have more gun control why, again?

[M-Rex]

Take a look at this story.

U.S. Crime at an all time low.

Violent crime in US stays at historic low: report
Reports of violent crime in the United States in 2004 stayed at the lowest level since the government began compiling statistics 32 years ago, but males, youths and those of more than one race were victimized at higher rates than others, the Justice Department said on Sunday.

There were 24 million violent crimes and property crimes in 2004, about the same rate as the previous year, according to an annual study by the government's Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Guns were used in 6 percent of all robberies, assaults, rapes and other nonlethal crimes, according to the report. That was down from 11 percent a decade earlier.

But guns were used in 71 percent of murders committed in 2003, the most recent year with comprehensive data.

The highest victimization rate -- the number of victims of violent crime for every 1,000 people 12 and older -- was for people of two or more races, with a level of 51.6 per thousand. Blacks had a higher victimization rate, 26 per thousand, than whites, at 21 per thousand.

In terms of age, youths aged 12 to 15 had a victimization rate of 49.7; the next-highest rate for an age category was 45.9 for those aged 16 to 19. The lowest rate, 2.1, was for those 65 and or older.

Males had a victimization rate of 25, compared with 18.1 for females, the study showed.

The report said 49 percent of murder victims in 2003 were black, the same rate as whites. Murder statistics were not available for 2004. According to Census Bureau figures, blacks made up 12.1 percent of the population in 2000.

Violent crimes against victims earning $50,000 to $74,999 shot up 13.3 percent, while those earning $7,500 to $14,999, experienced a 1.7 percent rise in such crimes. The crime rate for all other income groups fell, the survey said.

The report said the violent crime rate fell 57 percent and the property crime rate fell by 50 percent from 1993 through 2004.

The nonprofit Justice Policy Institute said the statistics underscored the need to shift the emphasis away from "overzealous spending on incarceration" to "what states and localities are doing to reduce incarceration, reduce crime and build communities."

 

[Standing Wolf]

The nonprofit Justice Policy Institute said the statistics underscored the need to shift the emphasis away from "overzealous spending on incarceration"...

Put criminals behind bars, and crime rates go down—so these self-inflicted geniuses want to reduce spending on locking up criminals? Is that the National Criminals' Union speaking?

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Put criminals behind bars, and crime rates go down—so these self-inflicted geniuses want to reduce spending on locking up criminals? Is that the National Criminals' Union speaking?

And they want them to vote, too. So towns where there are prisons will have city councils run by inmates.

 

[chaim]

And we should have more gun control why, again? ...




Reports of violent crime in the United States in 2004 stayed at the lowest level since the government began compiling statistics 32 years ago,

You don't understand, when the crime rate is high it is proof we need more gun laws because the rate is high. It will magically bring the rate down. When the crime rate is low it is proof we need more gun laws because the rate is going down. It is proof that the gun laws are working. :banghead:

 

[1911 guy]

Chaim nailed it

Any and all facts are to be submitted to the Ministry of Truth for the appropriate twisting. That is all.

Anything can be twisted to say anything. Just for example, there are verses in the Bible that say "Judas went and hanged himself." and then there's "Go and do thou likewise." So, even when the facts are decidedly pro-common sense, things can and often do go awry.

 

[chopinbloc]

"Put criminals behind bars, and crime rates go down..."

reducing the number of ridiculous laws reduces crime rates, too. control is established by outlawing more and more activity until everyone becomes a criminal. it is then possible to blackmail and coerce people into doing nearly anything. is it reasonable that something like 80% of the people in our prisons are there for non-violent, victimless crimes? sure some of them might be violent people but a court hasn't found them to be so beyond a reasonable doubt and prison isn't exactly teaching them love and harmony either. is it reasonable that a judge has no discretion in many cases? regardless of the circumstance of the "crime" he is required to dole out a long prison term by federal law. this is so ridiculous and has gone so far it actually makes me want to cry and vomit sometimes. how is it that a supposedly "free" society, one that was built on the concept of personal liberty has the greatest incarceration rate on the planet? this is obviously not working. i'll tell you what would work. first, there should be only a very few federal crimes exactly two come to mind: counterfeiting and treason. everything else can probably be dealt with on a state or local level. second, drugs, prostitution and gambling need to be legal, regulated and taxed (lightly). third, heinous crimes such as murder and all sexual crimes should be punished by swift, brutal and public death; i recommend hanging.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

Oh, I dunno.

There should be at least some punishment for, say, failure to use a single line break or capital letter in a long post...

 

[Vern Humphrey]

You don't understand, when the crime rate is high it is proof we need more gun laws because the rate is high.

I always say, "If the crime rate is as high as you say it is, then I need a gun. If it's low, what do you care if I have one?"

 

[Missashot]

Crime rate and the gun laws surrounding it, be darned. I just know that if someone tries to break into my home, laws or no laws, I am going to defend myself and my family with every gun that we have in here. (which could take quite a bit of time.)