Crime down last 2 years - Clinton AWB?

[usmarine0352_2005]

Source:

http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=44951

The Associated Press

FBI Reports Crime Fell in Early 2008


Posted: Monday, January 12, 2009
Updated: January 13th, 2009 11:54 AM GMT-05:00

WASHINGTON --

The FBI says crime declined in the first half of 2008, despite an alarming spike in small-town murders.

Violent crime nationwide fell 3.5 percent, and property crime dropped 2.5 percent, according to the bureau's preliminary figures released Monday morning.

Murders dropped 4.4 percent nationwide, though the drop wasn't universal. In mid-sized cities - those with 50,000 to 100,000 people - murder and manslaughter increased 3.3 percent.

Murders in small towns - those with fewer than 10,000 people - rose nearly 10 percent, the FBI reported.

In the Midwest, police departments reported a 6 percent drop in violent crimes. In the West, the decrease was 5 percent, while the Northeast saw a 2.9 percent drop and the South a 1.5 percent decline.

The slumping economy made it a bad year for car dealers, but 2008 was a bad year for car stealers, as well. Motor vehicle thefts plunged 12.6 percent, according to the FBI.

In big cities, forcible rapes increased 3.4 percent, while nationwide such attacks declined by about the same amount, 3.3 percent.

The latest FBI data indicates violent crime has fallen for a second straight year, after increases in 2006 and 2005. The crime rate began to rise after historic lows that began during the Clinton administration and continued into President Bush's first years in the White House.

This makes me think, when was the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban repealed?



Why was it repealed?


Legality?



I know the AWB didn't reduce crime, although that's what the anti's would like us to think. Same with how concealed/open carry produces more crime. I just thought this was interesting.


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[expvideo]

I doubt that the crime rate and the AWB have anything to do with each other one way or the other. Especially since "assault style" weapons are used in such a small percentage of crimes.

 

[Zundfolge]

This makes me think, when was the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban repealed?


Why was it replealed? Legality?

It was never "repealed", it had a sunset clause in it that caused it to automatically go away in 2004.

I doubt that the crime rate and the AWB have anything to do with each other one way or the other. Especially since "assault style" weapons are used in such a small percentage of crimes.

Part of the original AWB was a requirement that the fed.gov do a study to see if banning so-called assault weapons did any good. The report said it did not.

 

[rbernie]

I doubt that the crime rate and the AWB have anything to do with each other one way or the other. Especially since "assault style" weapons are used in such a small percentage of crimes.

Tell that to the BradyBunch and Joe Biden.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Same with how concealed/open carry produces more crime.

Not true. For instance, since Florida passed shall-issue CCW, Florida's murder rate went from 36% or so above the national average to 4% below, and remained below in 2005.

Of course, I'm sure the people will soon be hear saying that CCW doesn't have anything to do with those drops in crime, but the '94 ban worked.

 

[Titan6]

Car thefts dropped because the market for used cars has been evaporating. The incentive just isn't there any more.

The AWB has made a big difference. Now the bad guys can shoot people 15 times without having to reload. Because after all the first ten shots might not be fatal.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Tell that to the BradyBunch and Joe Biden.

They know it. These bans have never and will never have anything to do with lowering crime.

They are about control, and nothing else.

 

[expvideo]

Tell that to the BradyBunch and Joe Biden.

Let us not stoop to their level.

 

[Lightninstrike]

What TexasRifleman said.

 

[rswartsell]

Crime rates fell nationally but increased in the greater Chicago area, which has some of the nations most repressive gun laws.

Makes you wanna go.. hmmmmmmm.

 

[crushbup]

Part of the original AWB was a requirement that the fed.gov do a study to see if banning so-called assault weapons did any good. The report said it did not.

Do you have a link to the report? I'd like to give a quick read.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Here are the results of the report. I kid you not:

A few of the things in the report that we already knew. Keep in mind that LOTS of your tax dollars went to pay for these gems of insight:

The lack of an increase in stolen gun reports suggests that so far, the large stock of grandfathered assault
weapons has remained largely in dealers’ and collectors’ inventories instead of leaking into the secondary markets
through which criminals tend to obtain guns.

We were unable to detect any reduction to date in two types of gun murders that are thought to be closely
associated with assault weapons, those with multiple victims in a single incident and those producing multiple
bullet wounds per victim.

"the banned weapons and magazines were never used in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders," and that the magazine limit isn`t a factor in multiple-victim or multiple-wound crimes.

The whole stupid thing:

www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/aw_final.pdf

 

[Titan6]

I really like that pie chart TR. Anyway you could a smiley on it?

 

[TexasRifleman]

I really like that pie chart TR. Anyway you could a smiley on it?

Eh, I just stole it from an NRA webpage.

 

[hso]

"Assault weapons" were used in only 1 to 7 percent of the homicides in the study of the effectiveness of the AWB. There was no difference from before the ban and during the height of the ban. No benefit.

Subsequent to the sunsetting of the AWB there has been no change in the rate of "assault weapons" used in homicides. No AWB = No detriment.

The CDC, DOJ, NSF studies all said the same thing. Gun restrictions on law abiding citizens have no effect on crime. The conclusion that can be drawn is that regulating people who obey the law has no effect on criminals.

 

[benEzra]

Rifle crime has been steady since the early 2000's, at around 3% of murders. Not all of those rifles are so-called "assault weapons."

Twice as many Americans are murdered annually using shoes and bare hands as using all styles of rifles combined. Three or four times as many are murdered using knives. Check out the "Rifle" column in the following tables, and compare it to all the others:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_20.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_20.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_20.html

Rifles of any type are not a crime problem in the USA and never have been.

FWIW, interesting factoid---murders of police, using firearms, were lower last year than at any time since 1956.

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/dec/29/fewer-police-officers-died-on-duty-this-year-repor

Gunfire deaths dropped to 41 officers this year, compared with 68 in 2007. The 2008 number represented the lowest total since 1956 -- when there were 35 -- and was far below the peak of 156 officers killed by gunfire in 1973.

Traffic-related deaths also fell, with 71 officers killed this year, compared with 83 in 2007. It was the 11th consecutive year that more officers were killed in traffic incidents than any other cause.

Trend:

 

[TexasRifleman]

The conclusion that can be drawn is that regulating people who obey the law has no effect on criminals.

No. but it makes people with an irrational fear of firearms feel better. They can blame their not wanting to shoot guns on "tha law" rather than their own fear, thereby avoiding the issue.

I swear I think that's a big part of it.

Rather than admit their fear they just outlaw the thing.