Another Anti-Gun, Anti-CCW Article
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Kingofthehill
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HAHAHAHA!.... what an idiot.
Hey, im all for Open Carry in TX... if i could open carry, i would ONLY open carry.
General Geoff
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Freedom of choice is wonderful thing, isn't it?
"If [driving a car] is ok, why do people want to [tint] their [windows]. Seems kind of sneaky and un-american to me."
Ronsch
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Just my $.02 worth...
I was thinking about the whole "open carry" issue last night. The problem I see is that, unless State or Federal Legislatures make it illegal to ban open carry, too many PC-correct businesses are more likely as not to ban carry in their establishments. While that is their right, as a generally, most businesses are "private property with public access", I am of the opinion that even though it may hurt their bottom line, those said businesses are likely as not to keep doing it.
I was thinking about the whole "open carry" issue last night. The problem I see is that, unless State or Federal Legislatures make it illegal to ban open carry, too many PC-correct businesses are more likely as not to ban carry in their establishments. While that is their right, as a generally, most businesses are "private property with public access", I am of the opinion that even though it may hurt their bottom line, those said businesses are likely as not to keep doing it.
A practical reason for wanting the option to carry concealed: If it's cold or raining, I'll want to wear a cost; and even if it's warm, I like to wear a vest for the pockets. Either way, it's going to cover my gun (if I'd be legal carrying one).
stchman
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This article made me laugh.
SO Utah is giving terrorists permits? Did they not read that each applicant has to pass a background check that is done by the FBI?
Here are a few dumb points about the article.
1. The Utah permit used to not require any shooting training. That has changed.
2. New Mexico is NOT WEST of UTAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3. Criminals don't care about the law and I wish these idiots would realize this.
SO Utah is giving terrorists permits? Did they not read that each applicant has to pass a background check that is done by the FBI?
Here are a few dumb points about the article.
1. The Utah permit used to not require any shooting training. That has changed.
2. New Mexico is NOT WEST of UTAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3. Criminals don't care about the law and I wish these idiots would realize this.
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This struck me right off the bat. A "combat mindset?" Really? Is this now considered indicative of those who choose to own and carry a weapon?
I do strongly believe that any individual seeking the "right" to CC should be able to demonstrate at least rudimentary weapon knowledge and efficiency at the range. So, hence, I can understand this statement. It is what it is, in this case.
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DustyVermonter
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So stupid....sooooo sooooo stupid!!!!!!
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I'm not seeing the blatant "anti" bent of that article that seems so clear to others. Seems like the writer stuck to the facts and wasn't swooning over the worldview of either camp.
Just because an article does not openly endorse the gun right advocate position doesn't not mean that it defaults into the "anti" pile of propaganda.
Just because an article does not openly endorse the gun right advocate position doesn't not mean that it defaults into the "anti" pile of propaganda.
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By carrying concealed, a criminal is left wondering if his next victim is armed. This affords protection for everyone, armed or not. If we only carry open, he would be able to identify the safest (for him) prospect to ply his trade.
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The Expert said:
I'm with you. I don't see much anti-gun in the column either. The column seems actually pretty worthless to me, anyway, but seems to be mostly just facts.
inSight-NEO said:
You do understand the whole "combat mindset" quote in the article came from a company teaching a Utah permit course in Idaho, right? It's the "pro-gun" company that is claiming the "combat mindset" doodoo. Sounds like they are reaching out to gain the business of the mall-ninja wannabe crowd.
http://ericssoninvestigations.com/
Welcome to Ericsson Investigations
Todd conducting pre-mission training with the Iraqi Counter Terrorist Unit in a camp outside of Baghdad, Iraq in 2004
Ericsson Investigations now offers classes for the Utah Concealed Firearm Permit.
By attending the class you will obtain knowledge about:
* Laws and statutes of concealed carry
* Safety rules involved in gun handling
* The combat 'mind set'
* Mechanics and methods of carry and presentation
* Criminal & civil liability
* All legal requirements of concealed carry
* Weapon manipulation, safety, and cleaning procedures
In addition you will recieve:
* Fingerprint Cards
* A Photo-Copy of your Drivers License
* PassPort Photo
* All Paperwork needed for application
oldbear
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What was anti-gun about the article? They were only reporting the facts, no opinion was offered by the author.
Thanks, I thought I was missing something.
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statelineblues
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Originally posted by oldbear:
While I agree the author didn't say anything specifically anti-gun, the tone and demeaner of her article was to leave the reader with the impression that anyone, regardless of backround or training, can get a Utah permit and use it throughout the country.
Such phrases as "wild West", "combat mindset", "widespread in Western states, where historic settlement saw justice dispensed at the end of a gun barrel" show the writer's bias.
Twisting words and phrases to project a certain concept can be just as effective as a direct statement.
While I agree the author didn't say anything specifically anti-gun, the tone and demeaner of her article was to leave the reader with the impression that anyone, regardless of backround or training, can get a Utah permit and use it throughout the country.
Such phrases as "wild West", "combat mindset", "widespread in Western states, where historic settlement saw justice dispensed at the end of a gun barrel" show the writer's bias.
Twisting words and phrases to project a certain concept can be just as effective as a direct statement.
NavyLCDR
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Apparently, "combat mindset" is required of CCW holders, according to Ericsson Investigations. http://ericssoninvestigations.com/
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statelineblues
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And yet, out of all the factors listed -
the writer chose to highlight "combat mind set" -
the writer chose to highlight "combat mind set" -
grilledcheese
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I know the term "combat mindset" is likely to frighten many people, but the idea behind it seems completely valid for defensive purposes, whether it pertains to the employment of firearms, batons, pepper spray, hand to hand techniques, threat avoidance, or even "tactical withdrawls". Being able to keep one's wits about them in a threatening situation, to me at least, is very much a "combat mindset", and something that every one of us would benefit from.
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oldbear
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Statelineblues;
After reading article a second time the only reference I could find about the Wild West is the following, in quote box below. The author was only quoting a “self-described gun activist, not offering an editorial opinion.
The article does state that a Utah CCW permit is honored in 31 other states, as long as this is correct it is a fact not an opinion. So no bias.
After reading article a second time the only reference I could find about the Wild West is the following, in quote box below. The author was only quoting a “self-described gun activist, not offering an editorial opinion.
As for the “Combat mindset” I believe that was a quote from one of the parties offering firearm and CCW training.
The article does state that a Utah CCW permit is honored in 31 other states, as long as this is correct it is a fact not an opinion. So no bias.
oldbear
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Well it was, in the West and as well as much of the country in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries. Again sir fact stated not opinion given. In-fact the author even goes so far as to quantify her statement with the comment, “historic settlement.”
oldbear
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Well it was, in the West and as well as much of the country in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries. Again sir fact stated not opinion given. In-fact the author even goes so far as to quantify her statement with the comment, “historic settlement.”
Double post, sorry!
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JHansenAK47
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I think who ever wrote this crap should get a historically accurate account of the shoot out at the OK corral. Concealed carry in the old west especially by "gentleman" was commonplace.
oldbear
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Sir, it was my understanding that caring a weapon in the city of Tombstone was a violation of city ordinances. The Earp’s and Holiday used the pretext of disarming the Clanton’s and their associates to start/finish a fight that had been simmering for months. Is this incorrect? Thanks.
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