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The battle to keep our RKBA never ends. Now the Humane Society wants to establish a minimum age to hunt. :banghead:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/Y/YOUNG_HUNTERS?SITE=MOSTP&SECTION=US
Group wants to set minimum hunting age

By DAVID DISHNEAU
Associated Press Writer


OAKLAND, Md. (AP) -- John Wagner was 5 when he killed his first deer with one shot from a .223-caliber rifle. He is now standing in the living room of his family home and recalling with mounting excitement how last December he trained the cross hairs on the 75-pound doe as she paused beneath a tree house where he and his father waited.

"I shot it right behind the front shoulder," the boy said. "Dropped it right in its tracks."

John, now 6 years old, stands about 4 feet tall and weighs about 50 pounds. He's a good student, earning a monthly award for responsibility in kindergarten last year.

But he'd rather be hunting.
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"I like it," he said. "Shooting a gun and shooting at the animals and killing them."

When an 8-year-old girl made headlines last month by bagging the first black bear of the season, many Marylanders were surprised to learn the state has no minimum age limit for hunting. But for some families in rural areas such as Garrett County, learning to handle firearms is as much a part of childhood as losing one's baby teeth.

Hunting opponents aim to change that. The Humane Society of the United States is talking with state legislators about establishing a minimum hunting age of perhaps 16, said Heidi Prescott, the society's senior vice president of campaigns.

"A deer rifle can kill someone up to a mile away, and young adolescents lack the experience, judgment and emotional maturity to handle that kind of firepower safely," she said. "To send someone into the woods with a long-range weapon who's not even mature enough to drive a car is an invitation to tragedy."

State wildlife managers disagree. Paul Peditto, director of the Department of Natural Resources' Wildlife and Heritage Service, said children of any age who have passed the state's tests for firearm competency and hunter safety - a requirement for all new hunters since 1977 - should be allowed to hunt.

The safety exam can be given orally, as in John Wagner's case. Practically, "you're probably talking about the exceptional 5-year-old and the average 8- to 10-year-old" as being capable of passing the course, Peditto said.

He acknowledged that some people are alarmed by the idea of small children with loaded guns, "but invariably they're people who don't hunt, don't have any intention to hunt and have never participated in a hunter-safety course."

That doesn't describe Prescott. She said she's taken the Maryland hunter-safety course and found it fairly easy. The 10-to-14-hour course includes a 50-question multiple choice exam and a live firing test that she said doesn't approximate the stress of hunting.

"You're shooting at models with an instructor standing over you," she said. "You're not shooting at moving targets."

Maryland's hunter-safety requirement places it among 13 states with youth-hunter policies that the National Shooting Sports Foundation and the National Wild Turkey Federation consider "somewhat restrictive." A 2004 report commissioned by the groups lists 17 states with less-restrictive regulations and 20 with policies that are considered more restrictive because they ban most hunting before age 12.

The study found that hunters 6 to 15, when accompanied by an adult, have a better safety record than hunters overall. It reported that in 2002, there were 1.6 shooting incidents for every 1 million supervised youth hunters, compared with 52 incidents per million hunters of all ages.

A shooting incident was defined as an instance in which a person was wounded or killed by a shot from a firearm or a bow. The report didn't include an incident rate for unsupervised youth hunters.

Maryland has no adult supervision requirement for junior hunters, defined by the state as those under 16. Peditto said that in practice, junior hunters usually are accompanied by adults because the youngsters can't drive to the hunting grounds.

John Wagner will be with his father, Jody, on Nov. 12 when thousands of youngsters participate in Maryland's Junior Deer Hunt, a one-day event for hunters 16 and under that requires adult accompaniment.

John's mother, Liz, said she or her husband will accompany their son on all his hunts until at least his 13th birthday. She said some parents think John's too small for hunting and don't like him talking to their children about it.

"I say, 'Well, he is fully supervised and he's not out by himself,'" she said. "I think it's good for kids to learn this. It teaches them how to be responsible at an early age."
 
You're shooting at models with an instructor standing over you," she said. "You're not shooting at moving targets."

Sounds like a fun change to the training course is in order.


If it makes the bedwetters feel any better, I'd agree to a law stipulating an adult must be present with any hunter under 12.

But that's about as far as it'll get.
 
"You're shooting at models with an instructor standing over you," she said. "You're not shooting at moving targets."

When I am deer hunting, I do my best not to shoot at moving targets.

Some people are born stupid and it just gets worse from there.
 
I'm reminded regularly here and on other forums that our right to keep and bear arms has absolutely, positively nothing at all to do with hunting. I don't really see the connection between animal 'rights' activists stupid agenda and our right to be armed.
 
Hmmm. Why is this a new problem, like kids haven't been hunting forever? Must be those danged video games.
 
I've hunted ever since I learned to walk and talk (Learning to stalk game is just as important as bringing the food you'll be stalking to the dressing table)

I was taught to "Still" hunt (That was what my pappy called it) Bushy tails through dry leaves.

I mean if it wasn't guns it would be bows.
 
I'm reminded regularly here and on other forums that our right to keep and bear arms has absolutely, positively nothing at all to do with hunting. I don't really see the connection between animal 'rights' activists stupid agenda and our right to be armed.

Suppose laws were passed establishing a minimum age for hunting. Say 12. At 12, lots of kids are convinced their parents are old fogies, and have better things to do than hang out with them. By stopping kids from hunting early in life, we make it less likely they will ever hunt, thus eliminating early exposure to fireams for that segment of the population. Our circle just got smaller. Keep this up, and you reach a point of fewer and fewer hunters, and therefore fewer and fewer "gun nuts".
Victory by attrition.
 
Puritans are people who are deathly afraid someone, somewhere might be having fun.

you obviously knwo very little of puritans. They would have had no problem with this.
 
Hmmm. Why is this a new problem, like kids haven't been hunting forever? Must be those danged video games.

Very few people in this country, even in rual areas have to depend on hunting to eat. This is why hunters get a lot of crap and people freak out about kids hunting with gunsor even shooting.

you obviously knwo very little of puritans. They would have had no problem with this.

That's because they had to hunt.

-Bill
 
trapperjohn said:
you obviously knwo very little of puritans. They would have had no problem with this.

I know that Mother England sent us the Puritans and sent all the fun-loving criminals to Australia, and as a result we've been suffering ever since.
 
I know that Mother England sent us the Puritans and sent all the fun-loving criminals to Australia, and as a result we've been suffering ever since.

you learn this in public education?

lets see

america=second amendment
australia= near total gun ban

yep, they got the better end of the deal
 
I'd been hunting for 9 years by the time I took a hunter safety course. Didn't learn a single thing. Sorta like those funny little CCW classes I am required to take now after 30 years of handgun ownership. :rolleyes: Oh well, it's nice to get out and socialize.

Humane society preaching safety? Those people just don't know when to quit.
 
What does the HSUS give a crap about hunter safety? They're just trying to obstruct hunting.

I'd like to know where I can get a sticker like I saw here recently on the back of a camper: "Save a deer. Shoot an anti-hunter."

It may be true that we don't NEED to shoot a deer for food. However, if we don't, we're most likely eating meat from cattle that was kept in a small pen then dragged off to a slaugherhouse and "processed", sometimes still alive and awake while being torn apart, or chickens or pigs raised entirely in boxes so small they could barely move. The HSUS knows this as well as anyone. Hunting is arguably far more humane than much of the meat production in the US. Bird hunting is undoubtedly so.

Is it not good to teach kids what the REAL relationship to their meat is? Meat doesn't just come in a package. How is this not humane?
 
Well if the HS supports such a limitation that's the only reason I need to oppose it really... Never though much about Wyoming's age limitation (12 yoa for biggame) but if they make a big issue out of this we oughta try to get it dropped some. :neener:
 
Perhaps not everyone is aware that the Humane Society of the U.S. (HSUS) is NOT in any way affiliated with the local animal shelters scattered throughout the nation.

HSUS is an animal rights/anti-hunting/anti-gun organization.
 
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