Queen_of_Thunder
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Check it out and vote your position. It's on the lower right of the page.
Another gun poll on CNN
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mcg-doc
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Link?
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CharlieDeltaJuliet
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Here is the site, the poll is on the very bottom right... Thanks Queen. We need to hit this poll
http://www.cnn.com/
http://www.cnn.com/
MachIVshooter
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No surprise. While most people in this country don't support gun bans, most do support background checks, including the majority of gun owners.
mike.h
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Done
beatledog7
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Agreed, the question is in the "do you still beat your wife" vein.
All the private sales I've seen or in which I've been involved took place between trusted friends, at a show table, or in some other very open public place and included at least a presentation of valid state ID and a bill of sale, neither of which is actually required in Virginia. That sort of process and venue indicates prudence on the part of both parties. While it is certainly possible to sell an illegally acquired gun in such a manner, it is unlikely that's very common.
The question, by implication, paints an entirely different picture: two seedy-looking guys in a parking lot or a back alley huddled over one guy's trunk or coat pocket in the dark, transacting a deal for a gun that was far more likely than in the first scenario to have been acquired illegally in the first place: no ID, no questions asked. While I'm sure it sometimes happens this way, a law requiring the background check would not in any way stop the second scenario. It would put the kibosh on the first scenario, but that sort of transaction is not the problem.
It's another case of stifling the activity of above-board citizens while failing to stop the bad guys.
All the private sales I've seen or in which I've been involved took place between trusted friends, at a show table, or in some other very open public place and included at least a presentation of valid state ID and a bill of sale, neither of which is actually required in Virginia. That sort of process and venue indicates prudence on the part of both parties. While it is certainly possible to sell an illegally acquired gun in such a manner, it is unlikely that's very common.
The question, by implication, paints an entirely different picture: two seedy-looking guys in a parking lot or a back alley huddled over one guy's trunk or coat pocket in the dark, transacting a deal for a gun that was far more likely than in the first scenario to have been acquired illegally in the first place: no ID, no questions asked. While I'm sure it sometimes happens this way, a law requiring the background check would not in any way stop the second scenario. It would put the kibosh on the first scenario, but that sort of transaction is not the problem.
It's another case of stifling the activity of above-board citizens while failing to stop the bad guys.
Caliper_Mi
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While I don't think all gun sales should be required to go through a dealer, I would like it if NICS were open to private individuals. If I'm selling to Joe Schmoe who I met five minutes previous in a FTF and he doesn't have a CCW permit (in Mi, our permit stands in for the NICS check) it would make me feel more comfortable being able to call NICS, give them his DL info and get a simple yes/no answer if he is a prohibited person.
Bobk538447
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It shows how uninformed people are about Gun Shows. All FFL dealers do background checks. Private sells are just that Private.
Queen_of_Thunder
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That's true and I dare to say the overwhelming majority in an effort to protect themselves ask the same questions you find on a 4473.
JBrady555
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I honestly don't understand what is wrong with the background checks for private gun sales. I sure would like to know if someone is a convicted felon before I sell them a gun.
I'll probably get flamed for that but oh well....
I'll probably get flamed for that but oh well....
I think this gets classified under "needless bureaucracy".
If you aren't comfortable with taking on the responsibility of a private-party sale, then there is absolutely nothing stopping you from having your LGS complete the FFL transfer for their standard fee.
Its all a matter of the fact that they will never be satisfied till they take all our guns.
Most pro 2A folks would love to agree that we do "this" or just accept "that" and then the "gun grabbers" will never ask for anything else. But if we buy into that lie we have proven that they will ask for something more next time.
I personally would agree to a mandatory background check for non-family transfers as long as no record is kept of the registration. If the gun grabbers would agree to never ever push for any more new gun laws. But whatever we concede to we know from generations of experience that they will ask for more laws, restrictions, etc. in the future, its a historical fact reconfirmed every few years.
MaterDei
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In that case sell your firearms to an FFL. Don't burden the rest of us so that your own desires can be met, you already have another avenue to ensure that your gun is not sold to a convicted felon.
The creeps selling guns to people they know are felons will do so in the future, law or no law. It's just yet another law that serves no purpose.
It's annoying.
If I wanted paperwork I would have went to a FFL.
I would have felt warm and fuzzy inside if I would have known that the individual I sold my last automobile to wasn't a cross dressing crack smoking alcoholic but I took a leap of faith and transferred title anyway.
buck460XVR
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Interesting.
Yesterday I got this response in another thread when I stated that members of congress who want to keep their job legislate the way the majority of their voting constituents want.
After I left the computer, two different TV news shows stated that a year ago 43% of Americans were in favor of more gun control. Clearly the minority. As of yesterday they said 58% of Americans favor more gun control. Clearly the majority. This is according to Gallup. While polls can be skewed and are not always Gospel, I'm afraid this too is not good. I'm a firm believer that approximately 1/3 of of folks in America are pro-gun, a third are antis and a third are basically neutral that wander from side to side depending on the prevailing winds. Right now the winds are strong and blowing from the direction of Newtown. Hopefully when the wind dies down these folks will either find their way back to our side or become neutral again.
wannabeagunsmith
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We are loosing this one big time. HURRY UP AND VOTE!!
What's wrong is that as a private seller the law prohibits you from making a background check - and it's unlikely they'll change it.
The alternative is to transfer your firearm through an FFL which will cost you, the buyer, or both. Then it is possible for them to assemble a data base including both dealer and private sales; and that's necessary before they can go on to the next step and beyond.
See what happened in the New York Legislature today - and then ask yourself, "Just how far do I want to trust these people's good intentions?"
When making a private sale you should ask to see some sort of photo ID, and then either make a scaned copy or write down the number. Make out two copies of a bill of sale, have both parties sign it, and then keep one and give the buyer the other. If a question comes up you will have all the necessary answers.
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