Another "Know your buyer" story.

[BBQJOE]

86'd

Not going to share too many more personal stories.
I have posted things I have learned, and a few mistakes I have made, hopefully to enlighten others, but due to those who wish to browbeat the obvious, there is no sense.

 

[Thefabulousfink]

Sounds like a good lesson. It's a good thing it wasn't taught by some overzealous DA looking to make a career. So far I've only sold guns to friends that I know, and I've been kind of hessitent to sell to strangers.

 

[Reyn]

I think you need to quit associating with these folks. Im glad the gun turned out to be yours but i wouldnt buy another one especially from a guy admitting he deals drugs.

 

[cbsbyte]

I can not believe you just admitted in a public forum that you broke Federal Gun laws a few times. It does not matter if the original sale was unintentional you can still be prosecuted for the it, then buying a known stolen gun, and then selling it to the father of the thief knowing full well what he was going to do with it. If a Federal LEO came across this post it would be pretty easy to track where you live.

A few more days go by, and his father approaches me wanting to buy the gun.
This time I did it right. I got full name, drivers license number etc, and made out a bill of sale including signatures. Now what he decides to do with the pistol is up to him, but at least my butt is now covered.

Another little gem. So you sold the handgun you just illegally bought from a "Tweeker" (who stole it from the guy you originally sold it to), to the father of the Tweeker knowing full well he would give it to his son. It looks like you not only broke Federal laws but a bunch of state firearm laws. Seriously I hope for your sake this is all a fictitious story.

but at least my butt is now covered.

Hardly, you just exposed it on a public forum.

 

[CDignition]

You realize you just admitted to buying stolen Property, from a Felon(Not convicted, but Guy#2 is now a Felon cause he stole a gun from Guy#1).

Delete this thread,lol.

 

[Fburgtx]

I'm seriously concerned about the company you keep. You hang out with bad people, bad things are going to happen......

 

[theken206]

lol wow this thread could turn out pretty intersting!! *** waves to the feds lurking on this thread.*** Howdy boys

 

[kingpin008]

I was hoping this post was BS, for the sake of the OP...but after re-reading, I get the feeling it's legit.


Which is very, very unfortunate.

Be interesting to see how this develops.

 

[GlowinPontiac]

you should not have sold that gun to the tweakers father. if he gives it back to his addict son and he uses it in a crime the cops will come to talk to you. reciept or not they are going to find out the story and you will be in some deep doodoo.

 

[General Geoff]

I don't think he'd be in that much trouble, even if the feds saw this thread. The law is all about "what a reasonable man would do, given what the defendant knew at the time."

And given that he didn't know this guy was a convicted felon in the first place, he has a viable defense for that. He also knew that the "stolen" gun was his originally, and he knew who he sold it to, which was verified by the guy who "stole" it. He siezed the opportunity to reacquire the gun from a possible felon, and he knew that the owner it was stolen from was not eligible to own it in the first place, so he's covered in a viable defense there.

The only part he wouldn't have much of a defense over is intentionally selling the gun to the convicted felon's father, which could be construed as an obvious straw purchase.

 

[James T Thomas]

register your buyer

"BBQJOE:"

A similar story to yours Joe, only not quite the all's well ending.

I had a nice little Browining 25 ACP that, it seemed to me had no real practical purpose. So I placed a for sale on the local grocery store chain bulletin board.

A young man replied. He was a male nurse at a regional hospital, and would like the gun for self protection as he worked the night shift and was concerned about going into the parking lot at night.

So, I sold the gun to him, and he was to have the gun re-registered in his name. Pennsylvania.

Life went on, time passed, and it occurred to me that this pistol, registered in my name might be used for any concievable purpose.
So I began to attempt contact with the buyer. Several attempts at this, and he assured me that he would get around to registering it. Now, I became anxious. How could I force this man to comply, and why was he being so uncooperative?

Here is what I mistakenly did. I reported it stolen to the State Police; the "Grey Gods." My claim was it was stolen from my car while I was target shooting at the state game commission target range. I was only trying to protect myself, not commit a criminal act.
An officer took a report in person; which made me feel that perhaps that was the wrong thing to have done.
So, wanting to correct the false report, I called him and confessed the matter, and the bind I was in with this man who had bought the gun.
Well, the police were not at all sympathetic with my plight, and I was informed that I was being charged with submitting a false report to the police.

I did receive a mild probation, fine, and no criminal record, but after that, I insist on haveing the registration transferred immediately, even for one I sold my brother. $25 fee in PA. Live and learn.

How is the heat wave going in the SW?

I would ignore the doomsday sayers. Life is too short.

 

[yhtomit]

"So, I sold the gun to him, and he was to have the gun re-registered in his name. Pennsylvania. "

When was this? I thought that all gun transfers in PA require FFL authorization, and that face-to-face is not enough anyhow. Perhaps I misunderstand this law, but that's what I understand from the shop where I've bought a few guns in PA and from the folks at my local range (also a gunshop).

timothy

 

[lebshiff21]

PA requires that all handgun transactions take place at an FFL. Long gun transactions can be done FTF without an FFL. At least that's how I know the law.