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Another Odd Twist To The Vatech/cho Background

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Chui, Apr 23, 2007.

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  1. Chui

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  2. Lucky

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    Wow, I thought those stories were just crazy, but in that atmosphere it's pretty clear how they'd pass for normal.
     
  3. ConfuseUs

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    The stuff in http://www.vdare.com/asp/printPage.a...2_giovanni.htm
    Will they get mad if I quote it here? I guess a moderator can always get rid of the quote if they gripe.
     
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    Kill my landlord
    Kill my landlord
    C-I-L-L my landlord.
     
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    Dog is barkin', do he bite?

    LMAO, "Prose and Cons", that's a classic.
     
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    I am sure there are many fine students and professors at VT, but Giovanni is one sick puppy. Appears that Cho wasn't the only one and if she was a mentor to him, big surprise he was a wacko.

    Interesting that an English major would walk across campus to the Engineering classes to start shooting. If he felt rage at his own situation wouldn't you think he would strike out against those he interacted with daily like within the English Dept.? The fact that he strikes at almost the polar opposite part of academics looks more like his studies taught him that he was good and others not like him were bad.

    I just don't believe much in coincidence and there seems to be more cropping up at VT. Anti-depressant drugs, loner, wacko English mentor, gun free zone.

    Interesting that most shootings are at large campus public schools. I am not aware of any except the Amish shootings that were at small, private schools, let alone at military academies. Glad my kids went to small Catholic schools and military academy. We switched to that after the oldest was faced with violent attacks in the 5th grade and the public principal did nothing and had no concern for her safety. Private schools generally do not tolerate any level of repeated bad behavior. We sacrificed a lot of "things" to pay for private tuitions for the last 16 years, but after events like VT (among several other factors) I am glad we did.

    I guess I am trying to say bad things don;t "just happen." There is some string of factors, decisions and events that lead up to the final outburst of evil. We have become trained to ignore those decisions and factors and pretend it comes out of nowhere. I believe most gun owners/shooters have a much better level of awareness to see these things happening. Watch your six!
     
  7. coulta

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    It was only a matter of time before someone deranged took the academic glorifications of class warfare to heart.
     
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    This reminds me for some reason of the old Ben Stiller Show on Fox. They did a big faux MTV segment on a rapper who'd recorded a song called "Kill Doug Shathkey," and his neighbor's name was...Doug Shathkey. And the rapper was talking about how the whole song was a hypothetical, that he didn't really mean to kill Dough Shathkey, and how it was just a reflection of real life expressed in song. The "Martha Quinn" character, played by Janine Garafalo, appeared to take his counter-argument seriously.

    Ever see "Open Range" with Robert Duvall and Kevin Costner? There's a segment where the villain tells them a story about how some free grazers passing through were attacked and killed. It was supposed to be a story, but later they run into someone clearly meaning to do them harm.

    The Costner character says, "oftentimes, a man will tell you his intentions without telling you."

    Like when I worked at a health food store and was asked, "does this 'clean your system'?" and I responded by saying, "It is illegal for me to tell you that this will mask marijuana in a drug test." People broadcast their intentions, sure as shooting. No pun intended. Cho was broadcasting his intentions, but people these days just don't take these kind of things seriously. Ever wonder why? Here's a good example.

    In my junior year in college, I was taking a certain English class, where for some reason the subject came up in conversation about death, suicide, and martyrdom. I think the subject really was Romeo and Juliet, but the point is that I said, "everyone, at some time in his life, has picked up a long knife to slice some ham, and wonders what would happen if he just plunged the knife into his neck...and everyone who's been to a high place has wondered what it'd be like to jump." My point was not that everyone has suicidal urges, but that everyone, at some point, wonders what it would be like.

    Two weeks later, during a lecture in the same class, I, seated in the back of the class, pulled out my pocketknife and proceeeded to clean my fingernails with it. The next day I was confronted about it and forced to go into counseling over the issue. In retrospect, it's a good thing, because had I BEEN homicidal or suicidal, this might have helped. But in truth, there are many more cases like mine, where a misunderstanding leads people to cry wolf. And as a result? Nobody believes you when you tell someone that a particular person should be watched.

    I don't know what the solution is, but obviously the status quo is not working. The state of Israel allows teachers to carry weapons. One legally carried firearm in this instance could have drastically reduced the body count. I don't see how hiding under tables and desks can save your life. Yesterday I viewed the Columbine video from the library and this was made clear.

    I don't know how I'd react in such a situation, but I do know that having a firearm to protect myself would give me a better option than ducking behind a desk and hiding.
     
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    maybe it was the black trenchcoat, nail polish, and combat boots that threw everyone off? :neener:

    Nah, just kidding, Great first post.
     
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    Don't spend much time trying to impart logic to irrational behavior.
     
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    I watched that invocation and that so called poet almost made me hurl.
    What a charlatan!
    Now that I've read some of her so called work, I'm reaching for my large bottle of extra strength Rolaids.
     
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    Oh, I dunno. Seemed like sort of a pep rally, and the crowd seemed to like it. You do have to have some tolerance for platitudes, but that is usually what you will get in such a context.

    Transcript of Nikki Giovanni's Convocation address
    Delivered April 17, 2007



    Professor Nikki Giovanni speaks

    at Convocation, April 17, 2007.
    We are Virginia Tech.

    We are sad today, and we will be sad for quite a while. We are not moving on, we are embracing our mourning.

    We are Virginia Tech.

    We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly, we are brave enough to bend to cry, and we are sad enough to know that we must laugh again.

    We are Virginia Tech.

    We do not understand this tragedy. We know we did nothing to deserve it, but neither does a child in Africa dying of AIDS, neither do the invisible children walking the night away to avoid being captured by the rogue army, neither does the baby elephant watching his community being devastated for ivory, neither does the Mexican child looking for fresh water, neither does the Appalachian infant killed in the middle of the night in his crib in the home his father built with his own hands being run over by a boulder because the land was destabilized. No one deserves a tragedy.

    We are Virginia Tech.

    The Hokie Nation embraces our own and reaches out with open heart and hands to those who offer their hearts and minds. We are strong, and brave, and innocent, and unafraid. We are better than we think and not quite what we want to be. We are alive to the imaginations and the possibilities. We will continue to invent the future through our blood and tears and through all our sadness.

    We are the Hokies.

    We will prevail.

    We will prevail.

    We will prevail.

    We are Virginia Tech.
     
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    So are we concluding that it was a substandard English professor that is responsible for this shooting? Have we also decided that this conclusion is actually less ridiculous than blaming the guns?

    Perhaps we should have a government run academic screening board that reviews student produced writing and checks it for subversive ideas or indications of an unhealthy mind. Sounds like a brave new world of fluffy happy safety for everyone.
     
  14. 30 cal slob

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    should be no surprise that folks are getting an illiberal education in our institutions of higher learning.

    yesterday's vietnam-era hippies are today's college profs.

    welcome to the hegemony of the left.
     
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    Thank you for saying so concisely what I was thinking, c_yeager.
     
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