Another paper publishes CCW info....

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not cool

There ought to be a federal law against that practice.

Here in Connecticut, a LEO is exempt from stating address on their application
for a concealed weapon permit. I can sympathize for LEO because they wouldn't want a criminal to find their address due to a list like this being publicized. So for the LEO to be discluded from that leaked list, I say its fair in part. I also feel its unfair for LEO to have more privacy than an average CCW permit holder.
I am not here to slander, just merely pionting out the double standard. For the record, I beleive those lists should be private- not public- record. :(

This type of privacy invasion could cause someone to lose the most valuable possesion of all, life.

Abuse often must occur and be reported before a new rule is imposed. In this type of situation, I think ANYONES privacy\security\life is more important than "Freesom of Information". :scrutiny:
 
Search "Roanoke Times."

Repeat what worked....IE, threats to sue the living daylights out of them, especially if ANYONE in the state is robbed/hurt/harassed/etc. Gun carrier? They were targeted because they were on the list! Not on the list? They were targeted because the bad guys KNEW they didn't carry a gun!

And so on, until common sense - or more likely, LAWS, kick in to put a stop to this.

EDIT: Man, I love this:
"We just don't authorize someone to carry a weapon just based on that they think they need personal protection," Pulkrabek said. "The reason for that is that I've got officers that are full-time that don't carry all the time, so I don't think it's necessary for the average citizen to carry a gun all the time when police officers don't.

So, just because some police officers are stupid enough to think that random bad guys - to say NOTHING of dangerous criminals they've caused any kind of annoyance to - will NOT harm them just because they're out of uniform....EVERYONE in the state must stick their heads in the sand. Whether they WANT to or not. :barf:
 
Oh........ I wasn't complaining about the LEO thing.
In fact, I was really suprised the comment:
"The reason for that is that I've got officers that are full-time that don't carry all the time, so I don't think it's necessary for the average citizen to carry a gun all the time when police officers don't."
endangers ALL of their LEO's! Then, to exclude them from the list (the right thing to do) seemed odd in this context.
From what I can tell so far, this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
 
Unbelieveable, Again a news paper published the names and addresses of CCW holders. It should be illegal on the grounds that CCW is "Conceal & Carry", the most important being Conceal..ie. not knowing or letting others know you have it.

Any BG now has the address of gun owners who are now prime targets to get robbed while they are away from home. I've never known a CCW holder to only have one handgun. Most are gun enthusiasts' who have more, many more than the one or two they carry.
 
we "Zumboed" Roanoke

but that is soooo last week:neener: :evil:

What I would do is call up advertisers and people who work there and "demand" their address so you can "post it on the internet"

Maybe we need to organize an "online response team"?

I am too busy today for this.:(
 
It's a bigger pain to post feedback for this article than it was for the Roanoke times one...but maybe worth the effort.

Boycott of advertisers = good idea!
 
I don't even live there, but I just sent the following letter to the following people at the paper:

Mike McWilliams - Author [email protected]
Trisha DeWall - Asst. Managing Editor [email protected]
Jim Lewers - Managing Editor [email protected]
Mike Beck - Publisher [email protected]
[email protected]

Mr. McWilliams,

I recently read your article in the Iowa Press Citizen titled "Who is allowed to carry a weapon?" (http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pb...703240313/1079) and I am outraged that your paper has published not only the names but the addresses of Concealed Weapons Permit holders.

There is no need or purpose served by the wholesale publishing of the list, and doing so was nothing more than a malicious attempt to strike out against lawful gun owners. It also may have recklessley endangered some of those CWP holders, some of which may have them because they are victims of violent rape, sexual abuse, or domestic abuse and are in hiding from their assailants. The Supreme Court has already upheld that the police are not responsible for the protection of individual citizens, merely to enforce the law. Who then IS responsible? Each citizen is ultimately responsible for their own safety. One means is through the responsible and legal use of firearms, even concealed ones.

Had you merely wanted to prove that you could get the list, exercising your FOIA rights (while they exist), you could have listed only the names and permit data without including the addresses. That not having happened, it is merely an act of spite and malice toward legal gun owners who, being amongst the most law abiding citizens anywhere, have had mandatory background checks and handgun training.

"We the People" do indeed have the right to access those records as long as they remain public. However, I do not subscribe to the belief that the press speaks for "We the People".

I often hear the overused and misused statement from the press that "people have a right to know" throughout the journalistic world on a multitude of issues. While we indeed have that right, we do not necessarily have a need to know and sadly most will just not care because it doesn't affect them personally. Reporters and journalists are not now, nor have they ever been the keepers, custodians or guardians of the people's rights, nor do they speak on behalf of anyone other than themselves. The use of that statement is merely self-serving in the interests of "getting the story".

If an individual or other entity expresses a desire or need to gain access to a particular piece of information, for whatever reason, they have legal means to use the FOIA system as necessary and as is their right. But with that right comes responsibility. They must then be responsible custodians of that information.

Just ask my new friend Christian Trejbal, reporter from the Roanoke TImes whose ranks you have just joined:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/1716.html

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007050.htm

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...RhMTYxYzMzNGU=

http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com...christian.html

http://christiantrejbalfan.blogspot.com/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...22&btnG=Search

This wholesale attitude of the media that thy can hide behind the statement that "the people have a right to know" does not now, nor has it ever empowered the media to act on their behalf, and most certainly not to act irresponsibly to the endangerment of others. We already have elected officials to do that and do not need more from the press. You and the "press" in general may be able to express your own opinion or that of those you interview, but not of all Americans.

Responsible journalism is nothing to be taken lightly. I sincerely hope that you can recognize the potential for real harm that this seemingly harmless article may bring to innocent citezens who have the right not to be victimized again, and certainly not in the name of your paper's need to "get the story" or its First Ammendment rights and will remove the data base immediately.

Thank you for your time. I look forward to seeing the list removed and to your response.

Sincerely,
Bob Cavalcante
Springfield, Virginia
Virginia Citizens Defense League
NRA Life Member
US Navy Retired
Member OpenCarry.org

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"
--Samuel Adams
 
Applicants also must give reasons why they need to carry a pistol. Pulkrabek said those granted a permit typically include antique collectors, gun collectors, retired law enforcement officers or those whose business requires them to carry large sums of money, he said.

If I lived in Iowa, the answer to this question on my application would be: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What other reason could there possibly be?
 
Forget posting feedback.....

Hmmm...the way I see it, there are two distinct "evils" here.

The first and foremost is the risk that everyone in the county is exposed to thanks to this irresponsible journalism. We need to get that list taken down. Posting feedback probably WON'T help there, unless it's an absolute deluge of it, as was the case with Zumbo and Trejbal.

But the second is the elitist attitude of the Sheriff issuing (and denying) permits in that county, because self defense isn't a good enough reason, in his eyes, to carry a gun. Maybe if enough people hammer him on this in his local newspaper, he'll start to see the error of his ways?

...then again, maybe not...
 
Living in this part of Iowa I am not supprised at all to see this. Iowa City is one of the most liberal cities in America and this is typical liberal thinking the goverment knows whats best for everyone and only the goverment can protect you. I would be more upset if I didnt think Iowa City was a lost cause.
 
If this information is free for them to publish, everytime one of these "journalists" puts up a list, we add their name to a very easy to find online list...along with their home address, whether or not they own a firearm, and perhaps what kind of car they drive everyday, and their annual income.
They shouldn't have a problem with that right?
 
Public info about Mike Mcwilliams, writer

To get the ball rolling on this joker...

1) Picture of Mike
persbilde


Also tidbits from that same site:
http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/personalia?ID=224
- Mike is from Freeport, Ill. so he probably has loved ones still living there. It must be a small town as www.dexonline.com only shows two people with the surname of McWilliams in Freeport. A C.J. and a Douglas, both at this address and phone number (say hi to Mikey next time he is home!):
Mcwilliams, Douglas
1640 MEADOWBROOK LN
FREEPORT, IL
(815) 235-4595

- Office phone: 319-337-3181 ext. 636
- office email: [email protected]
- Graduated from univ. of Iowa in 2002 (which means he was born about 1980ish)
- He frequently plays bass guitar at the Green Room tavern located in Iowa City at 509 S. Gilbert St. and here is a link to its location Is this where Mikey grew uP?
just in case you want pop in some time to surprise ole Mikey.

2) According to this site:
http://www.dmcityview.com/relish/2007winter.shtml
"Silvestrini’s Pizza was bought by Mike McWilliams who will continue using the same recipes… " in Winter 2007. Probably not the same Mike as it is in Des Moines, IA, but just in case some one wants tot check it out.

3) He does not show up as a property owner in the Johnson County records, so he must rent somewhere. Here is where you can search if you want:
Johnson County Records

4) His full name is Michael P. McWilliams and his email address while at UI in 2002 was [email protected]. No hits on Google for the email recently.

Anyone live in Iowa city that can maybe get his car description and license plates, just for grins, when he leaves from work at the Iowa city Press Citizen offices at 1725 N. Dodge Street, Iowa City, IA?
 
Yup....Looks like a dweeb...

Gonna send this.
Are you aware of the potential for lawsuits if someone is injured or killed as the direct result of your irresponsible publishing of the CCW permitts?

Why do you think the Sheriff will not publish the following.
Those with no address listed are retired/former law enforcement officers. The Johnson County Sheriff's Office declined to release their home addresses.

I for one and thousands of law abiding gun owners like me will support financially for the purpose of a lawsuit against your paper and reporter any permit owner who is harmed by your actions.
 
I think that whoever releases and whoever prints a list of ccw holders should get into as much trouble as the people who released Valorie (Wilson) Plame's name to the media as a CIA agent.
 
I think that whoever releases and whoever prints a list of ccw holders should get into as much trouble as the people who released Valorie (Wilson) Plame's name to the media as a CIA agent.
Today 07:12 AM

Really?
As far as I know, Richard Armitage isn't "in trouble" for anything.
I would hope the consequences are greater for Mr. McWilliams.
 
I borrowed BobCav's letter and changed it around a bit to suit my tastes. :D

Mr. Mcwilliams,

This letter is in response to your recent article in the Iowa Press
Citizen titled "Who is allowed to carry a weapon?". I am outraged that
your paper has published not only the names, but the addresses of
Concealed Weapons Permit (CWP) holders.

There is no need or purpose gained by the wholesale publishing of the
list, and doing so was nothing more than a malicious, petty attempt to
strike out against lawful gun owners. By publishing this list, it has
endangered those CWP holders, some of whom may have them because they
are victims of violent crimes such as: rape, sexual abuse, or domestic
abuse and are in hiding from their assailants. The Supreme Court has
already upheld that the police are not responsible for the protection of
individual citizens, merely to enforce the law. This means essentially
that each citizen is responsible for their own safety.

Had you merely wanted to exercise your FOIA rights, you could have
listed only the names and permit data without including the addresses,
or other pertinent personal information. Since this did not happen, it
shows that the publication of this data is merely an act of spite and
malice toward legal gun owners.

I often hear the overused and misused statement from the press that
"people have a right to know" throughout the journalistic world on a
multitude of issues. While they indeed have do have that right, covered
by the First Amendment, that right should not be abused for petty
reasons, which seems to happen more often than not among "journalists".
The role of the Press in society is not now, nor has it ever been the
keeper, custodian or guardian of the People's rights. The role of the
Press is to keep a check on government, not admonish or publicly
endanger citizens of this fair republic. The use of that statement
"people have a right to know" is merely self-serving and used as a
cover. Nothing more.

If an individual or other entity expresses a desire or need to gain
access to a particular piece of information, for whatever reason, they
have legal means to use the FOIA system as necessary and as is their
right. But with that right comes responsibility. They must then be
responsible custodians of that information.

Just ask Christian Trejbal, an "editorialist" from the Roanoke Times if
he has learned anything from his publishing of the entire VA Concealed
Handgun Permit list in a searchable database on the newspaper's website.

Responsible journalism is nothing to be taken lightly. I hope that you
recognize the real harm that this "harmless" article may bring to
innocent citizens who have the right not to be victimized again, and
certainly not in the name of your paper's need to "get the story" or its
First Ammendment rights and will remove the data base immediately.

Thank you for taking the time to read my concerns, I await your
response.

Sincerely,
TJ Parmele
Alexandria, Virginia
 
Firstly I would like to remind people that the whole Roanoake Times issue isn't dead yet so let's not forget.

Secondly...SIGH! Here we go again.

I'll draft something up as well and send it. Is open carry legal in Ill? I don't think it is but I can't remember.

Thanks
Ze
 
Well, I hate to bring it up, but if we could all just follow the friggin' Constitution, a la Alaska and Vermont, there would be no lists of permit holders to publish.

*sigh*
Wes
 
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