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Another robber shoots self, but catches WMD charge? Is the Judge a WMD?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by karz10, Jan 24, 2008.

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  1. karz10

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    Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but I didn't see it...

    Apparently this guy shoots himself while committing a robbery, and gets a WMD charge for a handgun altered to shoot 410 shells.

    Now I've seen, and admittedly liked, the Taurus Judge I saw on tv before: http://www.taurususa.com/whatsnew/revolvers.cfm so this makes me wonder, how would you alter a handgun, likely a revolver, to shoot 410 shells, that wasn't built that way to begin with, if the cylinder isn't long enough to support the shell, it would not be an easy thing to modify the frame of the gun even to put a different cylinder in there, right? I'm no revolver expert, or gun expert for that matter, but I was wondering if this case of bad reporting, bad police work, or a highly unusual case.

    Would modifying a revolver to shoot .410 shells be a crime, compared to buying a Judge off the shelf? I know the story says he's in illegal possession of the gun, because of a felony, that's a given. Put felony possession of a handgun is one thing, and I'm assuming possessing a WMD is a completely different charge.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gBSrNzB2wqf-6ZVeUXYt2-jsIGggD8UBRBA80

    ETA: Now I see a lot of other handguns that shoot .45 and .410, so that makes this even more bizarre to me.... That it's either bad reporting or bad police work, but I'm interested in what you all have to say... Thanks...

    Regards,

    Karz
     
  2. General Geoff

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    Bogus charge, it will not stick. If I were the judge, I'd reprimand the prosecution for such a ludicrous charge.
     
  3. bruss01

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    In some areas certain types of firearms can be considered a "destructive device" but I have never heard of any kind of personal-use firearm referred to as a weapon of mass destruction. That would be a ludicrous use of the term IMHO. "Mass destruction" implies mass casualties or massive damage to infrastructure, such as a canister of nerve gas or a truck full of ANFO. The defining characteristic is that a WMD is indiscriminate in dealing death and destruction, whereas a personal arm is highly selective - it will only damage/destroy what it is pointed at for each consecutive pull of the trigger.

    I think the reporter got his terms mixed up. Maybe someone from that state can clarify on the local legalities involved and whether WMD is actually the charge being lodged.

    * in CA a SKS with a functional grenade launcher attached is designated a destructive device, for instance.
     
  4. NG VI

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    i hope the prosecutor gets fired for that charge, and i also hope the reporter was just mixed up. and i hope he never regains full use of his foot
     
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    mass destruction from a revolver that now may have 5 bullets left. yep thats masssive destruction.
     
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    NC law classifies among other things: unregistered/unlawful NFA firearms,bombs,rockets,grenades etc as "weapons of mass destruction".
    I'm not sure as to when such laws were enacted,but they may actually pre-date the usage of WMD referring to NBC weapons etc.
     
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    The term “weapons of mass destruction” predates the nuclear bomb. It was first used in 1937 to describe Nazi bomber planes during the Spanish Civil War.

    - googled up using wmd and nc
     
  8. BobbyQuickdraw

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    Maybe they'll try to make the claim that a revolver that fires .410 shotshell is actually a shotgun with a barrel under 18inches, so its a prohibited NFA gun, and then the WMD charge (in NC) would stick.

    Would be stupid and bad news for Taurus.
     
  9. karz10

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    Well, that was kind of my whole point. You can buy the Judge here in NC or SC, so I don't understand how this charge could stick. Illegal possession by a felon, or related charges, certainly. But the WMD thing, I don't get it, coz the gun itself would have to be classified as such. And the report specifically said it was 'modified' to shoot .410, again, is this even possible? Or are either the cops or reporters mistaken in thinking it wasn't manufactured this way from the beginning.

    Karz
     
  10. mekender

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    http://www.ncleg.net/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_14/gs_14-288.8.html

    im guessing they will indeed try to claim that it is by design a short barreled shotgun... which any good lawyer would shoot down easily by simply bringing up ATF definitions
     
  11. 1911Tuner

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    There are handguns which can be fired with .45 Colt ammunition and .410 shotshells interchangeably. One is a superposed derringer with barrels not much longer than the shell itself. In order for it to be classified as a sawed-off shotgun, it has to be a smoothbore. If it has a rifled bore, it's not a shotgun.

    If the guy reamed the rifling out to create a smoothbore pistol, and it will chamber a commercially available shotshell...even if it's .22 rimfire "rat shot"...
    it fits the legal definition of a sawed-off shotgun. If it has rifling in the barrel...it doesn't. If it did, then simply buying .22 rat shot ammunition and loading it into a pistol would place tens of thousands of people in violation of federal firearms law.
     
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    Oh, I just got it.
     
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    Quick google search found the following .410 chambered revolvers. Taurus judge, Magnum research bfr, Bond Arms texas defender or snake slayer, the Thunder Five, oh and last but not least the thompson encore. Wow that's alot of readily available WMD's. Maybe NATO should send some inspectors over here. :evil:
     
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