Another SIG P320 accident.

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Just to provide a sense of proportion so folks don't get unduly excited:
" An Associated Press investigation, released Monday, documented 1,422 unintentional discharges, some involving fatal shootings, since 2012 at 258 law enforcement agencies." 2012-2019.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/new...cle_c03a199c-1ad0-11ea-b70c-873d5656d680.html

The 1,422 figure is taken from a survey of 258 law enforcement agencies in the U.S. There are over 17,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the U.S. From very small to very large. This does not include Federal.

https://www.discoverpolicing.org/ex... more than 17,000,officer to more than 30,000.

The point being that there are more UDs going on in the hands of law enforcement than one might think. This with a variety of weapons.

There are also a lot of reports of guns "just going off" than a fella might expect.
 
Say what you want about me but I’m REALLLLLY skeptical about these reports. Very very few (but there are some) guns go off if they haven’t been <edited> with. Most of these reports make me feel like there is information here we’re missing.
 
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daniel craig said:
Say what you want about me but I’m REALLLLLY skeptical about these reports. Very very few (but there are some) guns go off if they haven’t been <edited> with. Most of these reports make me feel like there is information here we’re missing.
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Agreed that there is almost always some user input into these mishaps. But the job of the gun designers is to make the product as "idiot proof" as possible. They need to be thinking about worst-case scenarios, and that's where it appears that Sig fell down. Absolutely we need more information, and that's where the evidence introduced at a trial would be helpful.
 
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Agreed that there is almost always some user input into these mishaps. But the job of the gun designers is to make the product as "idiot proof" as possible. They need to be thinking about worst-case scenarios, and that's where it appears that Sig fell down. Absolutely we need more information, and that's where the evidence introduced at a trial would be helpful.
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I’ve seen so many torture test videos and people trying to reproduce the circumstances that lead to a 320 just going off and none could reproduce the instances without a trigger pull.

Furthermore, while things do happen, I’d be willing to bet that most manufacturers rigorously test any firearm they want to get a military contract for (should have been the FN509 anyway lol).
 
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I’ve seen so many torture test videos and people trying to reproduce the circumstances that lead to a 320 just going off and none could reproduce the instances without a trigger pull.

Furthermore, while things do happen, I’d be willing to bet that most manufacturers rigorously test any firearm they want to get a military contract for (should have been the FN509 anyway lol).
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Lots of info 'out there' on the fixes required right after the USArmy started taking possession of the Sigs. And the 'process' of the new military handgun testing and approval could be a subject of another thread..in that..testing was not completed, and Sig made the USArmy a offer they couldn't refuse.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/02/22/heres-how-the-army-fixed-your-handgun-problem/
 
“Never fly the A model of anything!” Old helicopter pilot nugget of wisdom. It applies to anything you bet your life on.
 
FFGColorado said:
Why not merge the one just closed with this one?? Some good info.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/new-sig-p320-lawsuit.872040/

Particularly post number 6 of the 'closed' one...might ruffle some 'Sig feathers' but....
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I think you mean post number 7. That's already in this thread as I linked to that case earlier, but in the other thread it's just laid out and easier to read without following the link to that lawsuit.

It's an interesting list of alleged UDs that looks impressive. The fella who filed the lawsuit had his lawyers pull up every instance of allegations of UD's in police forces in the U.S. over a range of years. Most of those cases involve guns that are not P320s. He also does not say how many of teh allegations proved to be true. Since the accidents involve different guns than his, in different circumstances, it's looks impressive but has no direct relevance to his case.

Fact is the P320 passed every test that the military did and then a contract was signed. After that some individuals tried another test dropping the gun from an angle that had not been called out for testing, and the guns went off. Not all but enough to see it was an issue. So Sig fixed the issue to the militaries satisfaction. They issued a sort of recall. That irritated a good many people.
 
My carry gun is a striker fired gun, and I have several M&P pistols for the range, but I will never be as comfortable with a striker fired weapon as I am a hammer fired one. For carry it’s all about weight and plastic striker guns are lighter. But my striker guns all have manual safeties and I won’t own one that doesn’t have one. Funny how my metal DAO guns don’t have one.
 
What’s hilarious is being surprised that firearms that are loaded go off. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not it’s a simple fact that having one in the chamber is going to increase the occurrences of discharges. We all make mistakes handling guns. Some people shouldn’t drive cars either. Ha ha
 
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