another way slick Willie hurt our Military

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Almost seven years ago I sat, as did millions of other Americans, and

watched as our government underwent a peaceful transition of power.



At first, I felt a swell of pride and patriotism as I watched George W. Bush

take his oath of office. However, all that pride quickly vanished as I later

watched the Clintons board Air Force One for the last time.



I saw 21 Marines, in full dress uniform with rifles, fire a 21-gun salute to

the outgoing President and first lady. It was then that I realized how

far America's military had deteriorated under the Clinton administration.



Every last one of them missed.


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not mine, I stole it from a motorcycle forum Intruder Alert
 
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I have the same view right now. Every single person I've talked to who've come back from Iraq has told me it was the most boring thing they had ever done. In fact, a buddy of mine sometimes road with convoys. Sometimes. The rest of the year he was there was spent back at base, away from any fighting. He had to buy a PS2 to keep from going insane.
 
Hundreds of veterans nationwide may have been affected by what the Army characterizes as a mistake, said Schumer (D-N.Y.), who along with lawmakers including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.)
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Wow, i can't believe you buy this garbage, peacenik. Hilary Clinton doesn't care about you, and defenitely not about military personel. Thats cause she's too busy being pinned down by Bosnian snipers, remember?

And as for the army being 'stretched' thin.

The long-term costs of Bush's great adventure in taking down the late and unlamented Saddam Hussein are now estimated at perhaps $2.5 trillion when lifetime health care for thousands of wounded and disabled soldiers and Marines is figured in.
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Not only does this quote prove the article is outdated, it shows its bias. Caling the Iraq war, "Bush's Great Adventure." Leading me to ponder its credibility.

And while im on the topic, G.W doesn't control how joins the army, okay? There people who believe joining the army and being patriotic, even, is a bad thing. Like John Kerry saying that going to college should get you out of being stupid and going into the military. Look at today's youth, they are being brainwashed that the Iraq War is bad with proven bogus figures such as 650000 dead civilian in Iraq, all in order to give both G.W and the Army a bad name. Well those youth will be voting too. Something to consider.


On Stop-loss tours:

In a presidential campaign speech in Tampa, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) said the military should not force soldiers to fight.

"You have what is a backdoor draft that has been put into effect," Kerry said. "People serving beyond the time of their voluntary service are no longer volunteers."
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Yeah so i guess him calling the Army basically stupid on National Television really solidifies his argument here, don't you think?

BTW, article is also outdated.

On the dead and wounded:

Sorry buddy, it's their job. They all knew damn well upon enlistment that they might get killed or a leg blown off, but they signed up anyway. Enlistment isn't being forced upon them. This is why U.S soldiers are some of the bravest people on Earth.
 
Anyone bored in Iraq isn't volunteering for missions. Yes I know "volunteer" is a bad word in the service but hey atleast you don't come home with a new high score on your PS2 :neener:
 
Wow, i can't believe you buy this garbage, peacenik. Hilary Clinton doesn't care about you, and defenitely not about military personel.
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When did I say anything about Hillary Clinton? Typical right-wing us vs. them. "They're all in it together", right? Me, John Kerry, Hillary, the terrorists and the liberal media? I'd say you made some assumptions there, bud.

"Caling the Iraq war, "Bush's Great Adventure." Leading me to ponder its credibility."
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I agree - "Bush's Great Debacle" would be much better. For the money we've thrown down the rabbit-hole in Iraq, we could have been building a new energy infrastructure, so we wouldn't be dependent on the Arabs, and wouldn't have to stay in the Mideast. You and your ilk, with your screwed-up and expensive priorities (war, oil, war for oil) are driving this country into the toilet. BTW, this article came from Newsweek, which like the rest of the mainstream media was a shill for the war, when Bush was hawking it.

Yeah so i guess him calling the Army basically stupid on National Television really solidifies his argument here, don't you think?
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To no one's surprise (and certainly not mine), you have no rejoinder to Kerry's logic ('back-door draft'), and so you resort to some dismissive snarl about a peripheral gaffe, a trick you picked up from Sean Hannity, or one of his kindred souls. I repeat, I never said anything about Kerry to start with, but he was certainly correct in what he said (about stop-loss tours).

On the dead and wounded:

Sorry buddy, it's their job. They all knew damn well upon enlistment that they might get killed or a leg blown off, but they signed up anyway. Enlistment isn't being forced upon them.
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Well then, I got a great idea. Let's bring them home from Iraq and they can look for safer jobs. We won't have to pay for this disaster anymore, we can cut military spending, and maybe guys like you and I can pay less in taxes. Sound good, sport?
 
have you served in the military peacenik? do you understand how it works?

I'm on my second enlistment contract, I'll have been in for 8 years come August, I just returned from Baghdad in October, 240ish combat patrols to my name, working hand in hand with the local police training them on how to be police.

Understand this, in a soldiers contract it specifically states that in a time of war you can be put on stop loss, that they can extend your contract in mitigating circumstances. So when does this come into effect, if a soldier is one year or less away from ETSing (thats getting out of the military) and your unit is getting deployed in that time frame then you will be extended, this is to keep unit cohesion, to prevent a unit from being sent over at half strength and having to be consolidated with other units.

Even still units get consolidated, and let me tell you from first hand experience that when that happens its generally a cluster.

I was stop lossed for that tour, honestly it didn't matter cause I was planning on waiting until I got over to reenlist to get the bonus tax free.

Also, in the case of the National Guard, you sign an 8 year contract, which is 6 years of drills, showing up in uniform collecting a pay check, with the last two years in the inactive ready reserves, which they can call you back in that time frame if need be, rarely does that happen, I think I've heard of it happening twice, but both was second hand hersay, not sure if it actually happened. However you are still under contract in those two years, so if you get stop lossed, its really not a big deal.

My company of Military Police, one year in Baghdad, each squad conducting around 240 patrols over those 12 months, yes we had some injuries, two of which required the soldiers be flown home, but both are fine, no lost limbs, no fatalities.

And to help put things into perspective, we've been over in Iraq and Afghanistan for like 6 years now, look at the casulty numbers, then compare that to day 1 of Gettysburg. Not to seem cold about it but if you look at it from a numbers point of view it pales in comparison.

And yes, I know for a fact that we've made an improvement and things are getting better for the people over there.
 
:: Now just where did I leave that bag of troll food? Darn. Oh well, there's no shortage of calories around here anyway... ::
 
had a bunk mate whose two forms of entertainment were watching black hawk down or playing medal of honour:evil:
even after having real rpgs fired at us he wanted to watch black hawk down have more flash back about bhd than anything that actually happened:D
its a great movie but after 180 viewings it tends to pale:uhoh:
 
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