Anti 2A reporter destroyed by the facts

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  1. Manco

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    Why must we demonstrate a need? In a free country, we should be able to buy/own whatever we want, unless it can be proven--under strict scrutiny--that something is very bad for the country/jurisdiction and that a ban would actually do substantially, measurably more real-world good than harm. Of course, the 1994 AWB proved the opposite, so the antis automatically lose right there; the parallels with Prohibition and the failure of the "War on Drugs" can also be brought up. We must not allow the concept of the government being able to demand that citizens prove that they need something to enter the conversation at all, because it goes completely against the nature of our rights as a free people, as well as the Constitution that defines the US federal government (it is the government that must justify its needs to us, not the other way around). The burden of proof should be on those who wish to infringe on our rights, not on us.

    As for whether police officers are bound by duty to protect & serve, the answer is both yes and no. They are required to enforce the law and apprehend suspects, and by these actions they do indeed protect & serve, as their cars commonly advertise as a sign of goodwill. They are not, however, required to directly, physically defend citizens from harm (most officers would, I'd expect, but it is not required), and for the most part (with the more dire, critical cases) this is moot anyway because they almost always won't be there while the harm is being done; this is not their fault because there is no practical way for them to be present when they (and their guns) would be needed the most. This is a good basis for the argument that citizens potentially have the same defensive needs as police officers. The odds may be different because the latter must sometimes seek confrontation in the line of duty, but the needs for the worst-case scenarios are the same. This is supposing that a debate even reaches this point, which it should not because of what I said earlier--it's not about justifying a need on our part.
     
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  2. Cee Zee

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    LOL I have the grenade launcher. I just need grenades to put in it. But I'd rather have the RPG kind. And nukes you have to build for yourself. The plans are everywhere but the weapons grade uranium is another story. And I don't want to mess with plutonium although you might be able to extract it from the ground water not too far from where I live after all the years it has leaked out of the Fernald plant.
     
  3. RetiredUSNChief

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    Well, I AM going to make a couple of scale replicas of Civil War era mortors in time for Independence Day next year. The intent is to use them to launch fireworks from.

    The goal is for me and the kids to completely show up one of my wife's cousins, whom she absolutely cannot stand. Nearly every 4year he buys four figures worth of fireworks and puts on a heck of a fireworks display at her aunt and uncle's place on the lake. Last year I made a 2/3 scale replica of a 24 pounder off the USS Constitution which the kids and I used to "steal his thunder", as it were. He still had the sky show, but WE had a six foot long CANNON!

    The goal of the mortors is to scale them to launch the big 3 inch shells. Then I'll design insert sleeves for a variety of smaller, more readily available, fireworks mortor shells. This way if I ever get a Type 54 BATF license, I'll be able to feed them some really nice shells.

    Beats me what a Type 54 BATF license is, or what's required to get one, but I'll figure that out later. And if it's too much of a pain, I'll simply look into making my own shells.

    [EDIT] Just looked...I'd still need the applicable license to manufacture my own fireworks mortor shells, at least of this type/size. I'll have to do more research when the time comes.

    When these babies are finished, we'll steal the sky show, too.

    :evil:
     
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  4. Ryanxia

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    I've seen that before but forgot all about it. I think the biggest argument that we didn't use as much as we could have during the whole 'ban them' panic is that it would create such a black market that it would most certainly increase crime (prohibition anyone?). I know this point was made but we focused on other points much more, and maybe for the best since we stopped that particular threat (for now).
     
  5. HOOfan_1

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    Rational discussion = you have to agree with everything I say apparently....

    If this video was done again today, the WVCDL guy could point out the incidents in Detroit where the police took over an hour to go to a call...and in several cases, people were murdered.

    He could point out the case in New York where those motorcyclists attacked a motorist, who supposedly had called the police.

    It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court decided, and it doesn't matter what the police say their duty is. The simple fact is, they will not be there to protect you when you need it MOST of the time.

    If the police could always protect us, there wouldn't be mass shootings and murders...but there are. Citizens deserve the right to protect ourselves.
     
  6. Cee Zee

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    Where I live there is no chance a cop will ever make it to your house in time to protect you against anything except maybe a total siege. I don't really live that far from small towns but they don't have LEO's assigned to come out to the country. We have to wait on a deputy and they might have to come from the other end of the county (which is the biggest county in Ohio).

    Revenge is always better when it takes a while to get it.
     
  7. Brin

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    Some of the best parts have been edited out of this tape. In the unedited tape the reporter freaks when the gun guy informs him he is carrying a gun. :)
     
  8. Ryanxia

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    Yep, the only time we had to call the cops about a guy outside freaking out (we later discovered he's got mental issues but harmless) we called them back 3 hours later and told them forget it he'd moved on. My town doesn't have a police department so we rely on state troopers (formerly the sheriffs).
     
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    Not to quibble...but since the thread is about facts. ;)
    Ashtabula is the largest county in Ohio by area (702.44 sq mi) and Cuyahoga is the largest by population (1,280,122).
    Scioto comes in at #8 by area (612.27 sq mi) and #33 by population (79,499).

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    There should only be one word needed to describe what happened to that reporter, OWNED.
     
  11. Cee Zee

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    I guess that's what happens when you take the word of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. I've actually heard that several times in this area. That's how myths get started I suppose.
     
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    Got a link for that?
     
  13. stevek

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    Yeah, a couple of mis-steps, but Keith did a great job. I am a proud member of WVCdL.
     
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    I've heard this too, but have never seen the video.
     
  15. Brin

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    Here is a link to the unedited tape with Keith Morgen.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECxDvwObwZk
    Skip the first half, the comment about having the gun on him is during the 2nd half which is about 8 -9 minutes in.
     
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    Gramps always said never have a battle of with with an unarmed man.;) OWNED:D
     
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    This seems to me to be evidence that we need weapons to protect us "from" police. Not all police of course but when they act this way they are the criminals.

    This isn't the only example of motorcycle gangs harassing and intimidating people in this country. I was heading to my daughter's wedding running slightly late but pretty much stressed out of course because I didn't want to be late at all. I was only late for preparations but that was too much IMO. As I tried to get on the highway that went to where the wedding was going to be held, about 100 motorcycles in a line in both lanes were traveling the same direction I needed to go and they were just ahead of me. Most were in the right lane but some were in the left. But they were all driving around 40 mph. And when I got to the end of the off ramp two jokers on bikes were stopped there blocking cars from getting on the highway. That wasn't too bad so I waited until all the bikes were gone through (even though I could have gotten on the road - there was room). Then the same two bikers got in the left lane and pulled up beside more bikers and proceeded to keep the pace at 40 mph in both lanes. The speed limit on that road is 60 mph BTW. It's a limited access highway with long, straight sections where I get on the road. I blew my horn signalling I needed to get around them and they slowed down even more. So I passed about 10 bikes on the shoulder and got into an open area of the left lane and punched the go pedal in my far from slow vehicle. They started trying to chase me only to be amazed that catching me wasn't so easy. But I got a glimpse of their faces as I passed them on the shoulder. They were determined to stop me from passing those bikers. I was just as determined to get around them.

    I've never done such a thing any other time in my life. But my daughter's wedding wasn't something I was prepared to be late for. I've had bad experiences with being blocked from important events in my life (like the time 7 junker Pepsi trucks pulled out in front of me as I was going to my dad's funeral - I was late because of those greedy jerks).

    I'd pass those bikers again too knowing good and well they were likely a part of a large motorcycle gang that has it's national headquarters in my county. I didn't care. They knew it too. They knew the same thing every other bad guy in my county knows. If you mess with someone they could very well be heavily armed. I was too. I certainly didn't want trouble but they weren't making me miss my daughter's wedding. What I did was safe too. There was all kinds of room. They were surprised that I got around them to the open area so quickly I'm sure. Again I didn't want trouble. I just wanted what ev every citizen has a right to - free movement on the highways. I called the police who immediately sent out officers to confront those bikers too. The LEO's were shocked at their behavior not to mention ticked beyond belief. But those guys knew that attacking a vehicle could well result in several of them being killed. I'm not saying I would have done that. It depends on what they did of course. The last thing I ever want to do is hurt someone. The last thing I want to have happen to me is for someone to hurt me though. You won't see situations like the one in NY in my area because the bad guys know what might happen.
     
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