Anti-Gun Propogandist Criticizes Jodie Foster in "The Brave One"

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Really? I have heard this for years, but I have yet to find where it has actually happened.
Oh come on Tom, you want them to substantiate their claims?! The righteous have no obligation to prove anything to the likes of you. Just ask her I'm sure she will tell you.

The Bradys closed their blog because they were sick of being shown to be full of it. And now the new guy in NJ, Bryan Miller, has come right out and said he won't even address any of our questions or challenges to his statements because we don't deserve it or some such tripe.

Edit: Well I can't find his comment now but I was sure that he had responded and said he wouldn't respond to those of us with pro-2A views because we were a waste of time or something like that. I thought his comment was right below Kelli/Dalifan's comments.

Perhaps someone that is responding to him regularly can update/correct me.

Also nothing he hasn't posted in almost a month.
 
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!!! --- SPOILER ALERT --- !!!
- It demonstrated how helpless an unarmed victim can be when face to face with a violent criminal that wants to do you harm.

- It demonstrates how many people never even consider having to protect themselves from becoming a victim until after it has already happened to them. Then, they come face to face with how the system frowns on their right to do so.

- It demonstrates how the very strict gun control laws of New York face the choice of forced helplessness or break the law herself. It also shows how the waiting periods required to obtain a weapon negatively affect someone in immediate danger.

- It demonstrates how places like New York consider self-defense as nothing more than vigilantism.

- It demonstrates how simply having a gun can help a victim overcome agoraphobic fears and feel more comfortable in public.

In addition to all that, I think that picture showed in general a professional and effective police force working hard. Except for the last scene, which some find bogus, the police are hard working and do care about her attack. In fact, they finally find the bad guy. That's their job.

So the cops are not lazy or incompetent.

But they are still not much help to Jody Foster's character.

Mike
 
"And now the new guy in NJ(someone please help me with a link, I lost it) has come right out and said he won't even address any of our questions or challenges to his statements because we don't deserve it or some such tripe."

Who was this?
 
The right to defend yourself has no bearing on your gender. The fact that a self-proclaimed women's new site would even suggest that women cannot use guns enrages me to the point where I'm leaving my computer right now so I don't get banned for saying what I really need to say to these people.
 
That lady reminds me of the reporter who complained about people running around with un-registered guns during Mel Gibson's The Patriot.
 
Saw Ms. Foster on the Daily Show promoting the film. Although she's an anti, she's a reasonably thoughtful one and the film intrigues me. I go on review sites, and all the criticisms seem to be that as soon as a woman picks up a gun, it immediately becomes Freudian, she grows a pair of balls and turns into Charles Bronson.

Okay, someone show me a feminist-endorsed way to put 185 grains of copper-jacketed lead into the middle of a rapists torso.

I come from antis and understand many of them, but feminist antis who also scream about "systemic violence against women" have made doublethink an art form.
 
How about a flick that shows formidable women using their brains, power and sex appeal to take the guns away from the guys without using physical force?

That would never happen in real life and would be totally unbelievable in a movie. In reality, if a woman showed "sex appeal" in such a scenario, should would probably facilitate making herself a victim of rape.

What genius... try seducing you assailant. Excellent advice... I think we should send this writer pennies in the mail. If she gets enough, she can buy herself a clue.
 
You just don't "get it".

Feminists don't WANT anybody to shoot a rapist, either before, during, or after the crime.

Live rapists allow millions of self-righteous victims to march, hold candle-light vigils, and protest in their sanctified victimhood.

That is so much more important than a few women who get raped and strangled.

--Travis--
 
"The Brave One" also bolsters the myth that women can use guns...

LOL, is she serious or joking? If she is serious you could have fooled me.:what:

I guess its time to put Mythbusters to the real test.:rolleyes:

See, I was always under the impression that the space between a woman's ears wasn't hollow, and also that they had 4 fingers and a thumb. Which seems to me are the main attributes for using a firearm.

Wow, how could have I been this wrong all this time:confused:


Travis Lee,

I'd be laughing....If that weren't true.
 
OH! By the way. We saw this movie two days ago.

I really enjoyed it. Nicely shot. Some scenes will induce vertigo, but the effect is strong.

One thing I think the public just might get out of this is just how really mean, nasty, and violent predators are.
 
You just don't "get it".

Feminists don't WANT anybody to shoot a rapist, either before, during, or after the crime.

Live rapists allow millions of self-righteous victims to march, hold candle-light vigils, and protest in their sanctified victimhood.

That is so much more important than a few women who get raped and strangled.

Please tell me you don't honestly believe that. :scrutiny:
 
You just don't "get it".

Feminists don't WANT anybody to shoot a rapist, either before, during, or after the crime.

Live rapists allow millions of self-righteous victims to march, hold candle-light vigils, and protest in their sanctified victimhood.

That is so much more important than a few women who get raped and strangled.

--Travis--

Bullfeathers.

I was the founding president of the Southwest Missouri State Women's Caucus back in the ***nevermind how long ago it was, that wasn't the point*** and while my views on feminism have changed, my views on women's self defense have not. We gave lectures and had law enforcement officers come to give us training (wasn't much, but it was better than nothing) on self defense. Concealed carry wasn't on many folks' radar back then, at least not on my college campus, so it wasn't an option presented.

But we were feminists and most CERTAINLY did not feel this way. I do not believe ANY WOMAN EVER FEELS THIS WAY and I think you owe women generally an apology for this. :fire::fire::fire:

Springmom
 
"The Brave One" also bolsters the myth that women can use guns--as the National Rifle Association Web site puts it--for "personal safety strategies" and "refusing to be a victim."

You know... for a rabid feminist... she sure sounds like... a male chauvinist...

What an idiot... There should be licenses for journalists to prevent idiotic journalism like this before there's more gun control...
 
I have to agree with springmom. I hope you weren't serious but then you never said otherwise. I wouldn't wish something like that on my worst enemy. How "high road" was that comment. Pretty low down dirty I think but then you (Travis Lee) probably think I'm just a loud mouth woman invading your man space.
 
"Jodie Foster, as has been made known on this board, is a rabid anti-gun zealot in her own right."

Once again, I beg to differ. Jodie Foster may--I repeat, may--hold personal views that are anti-gun to some indeterminate degree; but a "rabid anti-gun zealot" she certainly is not.

I'll repeat my remarks on an earlier thread:

"I have more respect for Jodie Foster than for most movie stars. She consistently refuses to discuss her private life, her children, her sexuality, or any of the other matters that stars so often display to get publicity. Judging from this appearance [on the Daily Show], she seems reluctant to parade her political opinions as well. I've read more than once that she considers herself an actor, not a celebrity, and works harder at her craft than her fame. I think her work shows that to be true.

"If Ms. Foster were to start appearing at leftwing rallies and HCI events and begin grabbing a microphone to spout leftist propaganda at every opportunity (like some we could all name), I'd be annoyed; but I've seen no tendency in her to do that in the past, and I doubt we'll see it in the future.

"I would think that if she were a rabid anti-gunner, her remarks would have been a lot more forceful--and a lot less reluctantly given--than we've seen here.

"If you want a Hollywood celebrity who richly deserves your contempt, take a look at Brian De Palma. He just completed a blatantly anti-American propaganda film that's certain to be promoted and used by Al Qaeda as a recruiting tool. It's called."Redacted", and it's an outrage."

And one additional remark: in spite of predictions by those who hadn't seen it, "The Brave One" seems to have been well-received by most gunners, and roundly detested by the anti-gunners. It seems to me that that ought to count for something.

Jodie Foster may privately be anti-gun, though from what I've seen, I doubt she has a really strong opinion either way; but in any case, she's no Dianne Feinstein. She's not even a Rosie O'Donnell.
 
Life was not so complicated before it got complicated. - me

-It is only a movie.
-This is only Internet.
-Folks are going rant, fuss, gripe about anything, and even those on the same sides with further divide themselves nit picking.
-It is not unusual for folks to "bait" others, and get various factions of a ideology to fight against each other, and amongst selves.


Travis Lee, I agree with.

I am the Foreman of the Jury, a rape case. We had the explicit pictures of this victim and I do mean total body body pictures showing everything, that was cut, stabbed, and other things I will not mention.

Jury was about half ladies and men. Ages from 23 - 67 ( best recall).

We had a serious problem in deliberation.
Evidence was really really great! Detectives really worked this case, spared no resources or time.

Sitting down?
It was the ladies, 4 ladies, single lady, engaged lady, Married with kids and a Grandma.

Now the accused was in a loaned suit and tie, and had a haircut.
Pretty evident he was "cleaned up" by attorney.

Ladies :
"He must of had a bad childhood, maybe abused by his mom"
"Such a nice looking young man, and he has his whole life ahead of him, and he does not need this"
"Well my daughter in law has hair that color and we all know them kind are prone to lead a fellow on.
"She should have just submitted and she would not have been cut and hurt, they got shots to cure disease you know".

Me and the rest of this jury, with all the Evidence, beyond a shadow of a doubt, wanted some rope, as we figured using a tree limb on the grounds would save some taxpayer money.

We could NOT find this guy guilty of Rape.
He got probation and "time served" for - deviant sexual behavior.
WE could not even agree on sexual assault.

This guy raped again, in less than 3 months.

But those 4 ladies, were very very pleased with their "convictions".

We had representatives from all sorts of Organizations, for, against , on the fence, to Trekkies heckling us (Jury) coming in, leaving, anywhere we happen to be.

Some really sick folks in the world, and not all are "accused" or "convicted".
 
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I can't speak for Travis Lee, but leftists of the strong Marxoid variety need victims in order to get their agenda advanced. So I would not put it past a hard-left feminist group to rationalize that having some rapes happen benefits them in the long run.
 
"And now the new guy in NJ(someone please help me with a link, I lost it) has come right out and said he won't even address any of our questions or challenges to his statements because we don't deserve it or some such tripe."

Who was this?

Bryan Miller - Either the comment he made was removed or I have him confused with someone else. But I was pretty sure it was him. Interestingly enough he hasn't posted a new article in almost a month.
 
The article...

'Brave One' Puts Wrong Weapon in Women's Hands
Run Date: 09/19/07
By Sandra Kobrin
WeNews commentator

"The Brave One" offers moviegoers the spectacle of a woman on a blood-spattering vigilante rampage. Sandy Kobrin says the plot is a perverted fantasy of women's actual relationship to guns and violence.

Editor's Note: The following is a commentary. The opinions expressed are those of the author and not necessarily the views of Women's eNews.

Sandra Kobrin

(WOMENSENEWS)--"The Brave One," released by Warner Bros. last week, grossed $14 million and topped the weekend box office.

But for my money it's a real loser.

Jodie Foster plays a murderous vigilante who kills bad men--and interestingly enough, only men--right and left. Her blood-spattering spree is triggered by watching her fiance get killed before her eyes.

I'm disappointed that Foster--who won an Oscar for her intelligent and poignant performance as a rape survivor in "The Accused"--has chosen to portray a woman who buys a gun and turns into an almost cartoon-like shooting machine.

I know it's just a movie, and some people could view the over-the-top violence as a major statement against guns and gun violence. In interviews Foster has said her character "is ashamed of who she is and hates what she's becomes."

But the movie is nonetheless a bloody shooting fest and I'm not inclined to be too nuanced, subtle or ironic about this blast of big-budget violent entertainment as long as I'm living in the United States, the most heavily armed society in the world.

The 2007 Small Arms Survey by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies finds that the United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens. U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, and about 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States.
False Plot Line

Amid all this gun craziness along comes Hollywood, trying to sell us on the idea that women are just as into the violence as our male counterparts or can be. But that's just wrong.

Women and men don't own or use guns equally and sticking one in our hands doesn't give us equality.

"Males represent 77 percent of homicide victims and nearly 90 percent of offenders," a 2005 report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics finds. "The victimization rates for males were three times higher than the rates for females. The offending rates for males were eight times higher than the rates for females. The relationship between the victim and the offender differs for female and male victims, female victims are more likely than male victims to be killed by an intimate or family member. Male victims are more likely than female victims to be killed by acquaintances or strangers."

To put it simply, most homicides are men going out and killing other men.

Contrary to the behavior of Foster's fictional character, women are not prone to stranger-slaying.

When a woman does kill it is most often an intimate partner, family member, someone she knew. Not a strange "bad guy." Take a look at the 55 women currently on death row. The overwhelming majority of them are there for killing their partners or children or someone they knew, not strangers. These women didn't walk the streets, looking for trouble, or to kill for killing's sake.
Beatings Drive Women to Kill

Incidents of domestic violence often contribute to homicides women commit.

The overwhelming majority of the women incarcerated for killing men had been battered by those men, according to Free Battered Women, the San Francisco advocacy group. Most of these women in prison for homicide had only one victim, the abuser.

That Bureau of Justice report concurs. "For the years 1976-2005 combined, among all homicide victims, females are particularly at risk for intimate killings and sex-related homicides," it says.

"The Brave One" also bolsters the myth that women can use guns--as the National Rifle Association Web site puts it--for "personal safety strategies" and "refusing to be a victim."

Nothing could be further from the truth. Women have been further endangered rather than protected by the proliferation of handguns.

When women do purchase handguns, they use them on themselves more often than on anyone else.

According to the Washington-based anti-gun Brady Campaign, regions with higher levels of handgun ownership by women correspond to higher suicide rates for women.

Although women have higher rates of depression than men, it is the handgun-suicide connection--rather than depression--that accounts for higher suicide completion rates.
Women Killed by Their Own Guns

Numbers also show that women who buy handguns don't use them to kill or defend themselves. On the contrary, the gun owner is often killed by a third party who has gained access to her weapon.

A 2005 Amnesty International study compared female homicide rates with male and female gun ownership levels in 25 high-income countries. The authors found that where firearms are more available to people, more women are killed.

It's particularly galling to see women drafted in the Hollywood vigilante-killer role when brave women can so often be found at the forefront of antiwar efforts and gun control.

A 2005 report by Amnesty International on women and guns found women around the world calling "for tougher arms controls, for safer communities and for respect for women's human rights. Their campaigns are working to rid not only their own lives, but also those of their families and communities of the ravages of gun violence."

I know we can't expect Hollywood to stop putting guns into women's hands.

But maybe we can give them some ideas for some even scarier movies about women.

How about a flick that shows formidable women using their brains, power and sex appeal to take the guns away from the guys without using physical force? Maybe Foster can play someone like Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein or Hillary Clinton; intelligent, powerful women who have consistently voted for gun control, getting them an F rating by gun lobbyists.

Or maybe a big budget update of "Lysistrata," the Aristophanes play about women who withhold sex from their husbands to stop the Peloponnesian War. That would be really scary.

Sandra Kobrin is a Los Angeles writer and columnist.

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Jodie Foster's View on Guns

cnorman18

In my post to start this thread I did refer to Ms. Foster as being a rabid anti-gun zealot. Your thoughtful and reasoned argument against calling her such caused me to reconsider my description of her views and I somewhat agree with how you presented your case. Certainly she has not been in the forefront, leading marches- with the "million mom's" (to my knowledge).

I suppose that when a celebrity goes on record in magazine articles and have their views published for millions to read, some would say that that is being more vocal than standing on a platform and giving a speech to a few thousand like minded people.

As to whether she is a rabid, anti-gun zealot its sort of like beauty being in the eye of the beholder. Some would say yes, and some would say no. Its all in your definition of the words and how you apply them to a particular situation.

As for me, I think she has more than made her views known in several instances that I found through a yahoo search on "Jodie Foster gun control" and its pretty obvious to me where she stands and what she thinks. She pulled no punches and didn't obfuscate the issue. Whether she is a rabid, anti-gun zealot everyone will have to decide for themselves. Thanks for what you posted.

What do you think is the larger social commentary of The Brave One, which in some ways plays as a straight-up Dirty Harry revenge movie?
Here's my commentary: I don't believe that any gun should be in the hand of a thinking, feeling, breathing human being. Americans are by nature filled with rage-slash-fear. And guns are a huge part of our culture. I know I'm crazy because I'm only supposed to say that in Europe. But violence corrupts absolutely.


Here is the article from which I took the quote:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20051361_20051365_20054140,00.html
 
SM, there is a world of difference between sweet sheltered ladies who couldn't recognize evil when it stared them in the face, and women who WANT TO SEE WOMEN RAPED so they can have victims to parade around.

Not even close.

Springmom
 
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