Anti hunting strikes again

[lopaka]

I'm gritting my teeth as I write this.

"Friends of Animals" apparently have managed to get U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to declare the African origin-ed scimitar-horned oryx endangered. These animals were arguably brought back from the brink of extinction by a Texas-based rancher and have spread to a number of hunting ranches in Texas.

Priscilla Feral (real name?) of "Friends of Animals" when pressed would rather animals become extinct than be hunted. Anti-hunting in general and pushing a broader agenda. &^$%&^%& government and court system used against hunters.

And hunters, ranchers, and animals all lose.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/...romTheRoadCBSNews+(From+The+Road:+CBSNews.com)

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...inutes-this-sunday-29-jan-2012-138155354.html

Deep breaths. I have words best not used in a public forum.

 

[jmstevens2]

OK, I guess we will stop doing this and let them go extinct.

Idiot.

How about the US F&W killing ALL the Mule Deer on the Island in Santa Rose CA? They were non native so the eliminated ALL of them and left them to rot. Good plan guys.

 

[Tomcat47]

Yeah I watched it too!

You know, there is the reality of people that have no conception of the word conservation! They are the same ones that let the things become overpopulated, diseased and eventually extinct!

They are the ones that spend hundreds of dollars buying cat food to feed feral cats at abandoned factories in attempt to "SAVE" them, and put you in front of a jury for shooting a rabid, diseased, inbred cat that attacked your own animals or your person.

I had this guy coming by an abandoned building beside me every day feeding about 5-6 adult cats....that summer I had about 30 kittens running everywhere, getting run over in highway, had animal control pick up two litters of kittens...took 4 kittens to my own home...which two were diseased and had to be put down at about a year old.

I ask him one day..You think you are making a difference? I said you sure are! you are making them go out of control!!! Take some of that money you spend on food and buy a trap and take them to be spayed and neutered!

And as you seen even Lara Logan amazed at her answer when she ask her.." You think they would be better to be extinct that managed and hunted?"

Even Lara asked her 3 times.....because she did not understand her thinking!

And it was already stated "They are extinct in Africa" Already! Right Now!

These in Texas are the ONLY ones left! HELLO! REALLY! You had rather they be extinct???

:banghead:

 

[JRH6856]

Can't talk to these people. BTDT.:banghead: They would rather see the animals die a "natural" death (starvation and disease) than see them "cruelly murdered".

 

[lopaka]

Take a look through these yo-yo's (Friends of Animals) website.

Among other things, they refer to "bigotry" toward wolves in Wyoming.

Bigotry. Really? :banghead:

 

[Tomcat47]

You know ... There is a point to be made here!

It seems that only the "evil hunter" is guilty of "cruelly murdering" (not sure how you meant it that way Micro ) an animal for food, and I don't care for sport hunting so much for myself but know some who do and donate the meat to homeless shelters and the such.

My point here is that the millions who eat mechanically separated chicken and mechanically processed beef, pork etc. every day are no less than the hunter who shoots one of these animals on this ranch in Texas!

If you eat meat you are involved whether you like it it or not!

 

[JRH6856]

"cruelly murdering" (not sure how you meant it that way Micro )

Sarcastically. It is what my PETA acquaintances call any kind of hunting. If were not supposed to eat animals, they shouldn't be made of meat. I stopped shooting at any animal that moved when I grew up. That said, I used to see little point in trophy hunting until it was pointed out to me that in a managed herd, trophy animals are usually past their prime and need to be culled anyway.

 

[jmstevens2]

Hey, I am a proud member of PETA, whats wrong with People Eating Tasty Animals?

 

[MyGreenGuns]

$250,000 to send 12 of them back to Senagal. I'm sure once the animals are shipped out, they will feel like they "saved" the species. If the donations do not continue the locals will most likely eat the remaining animals.

Senagal is a poor country (Source). More than half the population is unemployed. They are more concerned with their own survival than some animals the Americans shipped back.

On the other hand a quarter of a million dollars would be able to expand the American ranches significantly. A larger ranch would give the animals a better chance of escaping the hunt. It would also allow for a larger herd to be kept.

The ranchers have a great interest in preserving the species. The hunters take the oldest animals first. In my mind a bullet is a lot more humane than being torn apart and eaten alive by a natural predator.

Saying you would rather have the entire species extinct than hunted shows you do not really care about the animals, just your adjenda.

 

[RangerHAAF]

I once read an article in the WSJ saying they thrive in the southwest desert and don't really need to be protected.

 

[AK_Maine_iac]

Just listening to her talk made me want to That reminds me of a group of P.E.T.A. jerks years ago in Maine. Opening day of deer season they took a class of 20 or so pre-school aged kids out into a big field and just left them there from daybreak until noon, knowing it was one of the best hunting spots in the area. Needless to say someone went to jail over that.

 

[Kachok]

Humm that makes me want to go hunt an anamal rights idiot. Stupid people like that do not deserve to breath the free air with the rest of humanity.

 

[Art Eatman]

There are enough oryx at White Sands and in SW New Mexico that the state has a provision for limited hunting. Those on private ranches are from an expansion of the numbers. For instance, the 02 Ranch south of Alpine, Texas has a small herd of a dozen or fifteen oryx--which means more to come as the herd grows.

What's hard to make the Pitiful PETA People understand is that no game animal is endangered. Hunters can only hunt if there is a local surplus in a given habitat. And it is hunting groups which work toward expansion of threatened species, providing the money for restorative programs--but never PETA.

 

[RustHunter87]

Im not a fan of antis by any means but why would you want to shoot an owl anyway??

as for protecting non natives thats not a good idea, they eat and take up habitat out natives NEED

 

[snakeman]

I have come to learn that in this world, as sad as it sounds, animals have been given a place above humans. For instance, if a shark bites someone's leg off, the first thing that happens is some idiot comes by and says "well he was hungry i guess." It's to the point that if you're neighbors dog attacks you and you shoot it they slap you with a felony animal cruelty and send you to jail because you should know better and the dog doesn't. Granted there are some cases of animal cruelty that should be tried, but these peta and whatever else idiots have no common sense and would rather see a fellow human in prison for life than see someone skinning a deer.

 

[RangerHAAF]

There are enough oryx at White Sands and in SW New Mexico that the state has a provision for limited hunting. Those on private ranches are from an expansion of the numbers. For instance, the 02 Ranch south of Alpine, Texas has a small herd of a dozen or fifteen oryx--which means more to come as the herd grows.

What's hard to make the Pitiful PETA People understand is that no game animal is endangered. Hunters can only hunt if there is a local surplus in a given habitat. And it is hunting groups which work toward expansion of threatened species, providing the money for restorative programs--but never PETA.

With the anti-hunters it just the idea of hunting that they abhor and they make and take their battles wherever they can find them.

 

[wombat13]

Here is a great example of what the animal-rights wackos fail to understand. Read this article. You may want to save the link for future use if you discuss hunting with non-hunters.

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/10/140445502/to-save-wildlife-namibias-farmers-take-control

This article showcases the rebound in wildlife in Namibia once locals were given an ownership interest in the wildlife (prior to the change, the government "owned" the wildlife). I was astounded when I heard this story on NPR (there was a shorter, on-air piece). I wasn't at all surprised by the story, just that it was on NPR. I used this article as the centerpiece when discussing the value of property rights in an economics course that I teach. It is my favorite article that we discuss because it is a rare three-fer:

1. Excellent example of the importance of property-rights.

2. Allows me to talk about the value of hunting to conservation in a setting that I normally wouldn't (and really makes anti-hunters squirm).

3. Allows me to use one of liberaldom's favorite institutions, NPR, to make a profoundly conservative point - individuals acting in their own interest through the exercise of their property rights can accomplish things that government control never could.

 

[CoRoMo]

..."bigotry" toward wolves in Wyoming.

Bigotry. Really?

Call me a bigot, but I won't allow wolves in my place of business. They need to stay on their side of town.

 

[Kachok]

I am a very soft spoken person, but the few times I have blown my lid in public have been when confronted with anti-gun anti-hunting nutcases. I think we need to deport all of them, they have no right to call themselves American if they fight aginst the rights that many true Americans have died to protect.

 

[Certaindeaf]

There's a brand new high-end blockbuster movie about saving a couple of ice-locked whales. The advertisements show many natives earnestly helping the city slickin stars save these animals.
Kinda funny 'cause last I knew, those indiginous peoples up north would traditionally and opportunistically harvest that animal with nary a thought otherwise.

 

[Art Eatman]

Check out the "Interesting facts..." sticky at the top of this page.

When there is a vested interest on the part of local people, wildlife does well. So, in Africa where local villagers share in the hunting license fees, poaching ends.

In the U.S., landowners who get paid to lease out their land for hunting commonly not only protect against poaching, they make efforts to maintain or improve the habitat.

I've yet to see any signs of habitat restoration or improvement in Big Bend National Park, FWIW. It was heavily overgrazed in the WW I era and there are numerous invasive species which have replaced much of the original grass cover. The Feds don't do much of anything as to habitat protection--only the private landowner.

 

[paintballdude902]

i just dont understand how a nonnative invasive species becomes protected

 

[powell&hyde]

That is a good question paintballdude902..

 

[Art Eatman]

paintballdude902, realize a few things: First off, for the Friends of Animals it's all about being against any hunting, and even more so when it's a "pretty" animal. Do some search for Cleveland Amory; he's dead, now, but he began FOA as an anti-hunting organization.

Next is a problem with the USF&WS. Some of their staff are bunny-huggers and might as well be card-carrying members of PETA and FOA. A few have been proven to lie as to "evidence" of the presence of protected species. (Most notably the "Lynx Case" in either Washington or Oregon, some years back.) And junk science is always a problem.

 

[lopaka]

The FOA/PETA types will argue that if the death of animals occurs in the wild it is natural, but hunting by man (or woman) is unnatural, unevolved, immoral, and unnecessary.

Some points of the argument:

1. hunting is a unnecessary skill, no longer needed in this modern society.
2. it's killing just for "fun"
3. animals have rights and the protection of those rights is currently inadequate
4. humans killing animals is immoral. Animal on animal is fine.
5. animal on human is ok as well? (not "immoral"?)
6. ...

For me, a lot of the argument is just gratuitous noise.

Hunting is about survival --- whether putting food on the table, training to be able to put food on the table, and defending against nature - man and beast.

Hunting is a critical species survival skill, as is the ability to kill out of necessity. Insurance for trying times. The enjoyment of hunting is NATURE's way of encouraging us to develop the skill.

Dirty little secret, FOA/PETA, you exist (and continue) because our species evolved and developed those skills. Our society survives on the skills developed.

F/P, can you guarantee those skills are no longer needed? That our children will not need them?

And who do you suppose exists more in nature, a proselytizing animal right's advocate in an air conditioned office in Connecticut or a shivering hunter on the stalk in Colorado?

Boy, haven't been this fired up in a while. And I'm not going to convince any true believers from the "animal rights" crowd. Wasted breath.