Any decent .44 specials currently made?

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First off, I'm not interested in Taurus or the S&W Airweights/Ti models.


I liked the 696, but I hear it is discontinued. I was wondering if there was anything out there at least the size of the 696 (I like solid weight behind a revolver), but chambered in 44 special?

I know I can get a .44 magnum and use .44 specials in it, but I remember reading a while back this this causes quicker erosion or the chambers due to smaller length cases, and also less accuracy?

If there are no specialized .44 special options, I guess I'll just go with a 4" .44 magnum.
 
You might find one of those S&W Thunder Ranch Specials. Of course there are also single action revolvers from various makers.
 
Taurus steel framed .44 specials (and Ultralight versions as well) are gone.

Some 696s can still be found but the prices are outrageous. Seen some NIB examples running into the $800s.

The S&W 21-(whatever) Thunder Ranch Special cited above is about the only dedicated .44 special still in production.

I don't suppose you'd consider a Charter Arms? :what: Didn't think so. :eek:

I haven't read anything stating that the firing of .44 Specials damages .44 magnum cylinders in any way other than the accumulation of fouling.

Seems to be a bumper crop of 624s on the marked at present for good prices. I have one of these and it is a nice gun for the $400 I paid for it (essentially LNIB). Just make sure you read the sticky over in the modern S&W revolver forum at www.smith-wessonforum.com before you buy. Seems a small number of 624 (and 629) cylinders in the early 80's lacked proper heat treatment.
 
What happened, lack of demand?

I haven't been following the market the last year or so....

but the last time I looked, I remember Taurus having a ton of .44 special models, and S&W having a bunch of lightweight .44 special models. Is this chambering now going the way of the dinosaur?
 
Actually, this caliber is probably more popular now than it has been in decades. The Taurus 445s (.44 special, 5 shot) supply dried up within a few months of production ceasing. And you don't see them used very often either. We all know what's going on with the 696s. A local shop has been through about a dozen of the new S&W 21s since January.

I don't know what happened. Another poster on TFL suggested that the Taurus move was only temporary so they could support newer designs, but he claimed no direct knowledge of this, just a reasoned response to the very same question you asked. I hope sometime soon S&W might bring back the 696 (I'll order one immediately lock or no). BTW, Taurus didn't just stop the .44 spl, they did away with all their big bore snubbies at the same time. The well-received Tracker series in .45 ACP? GONE!
 
When they're available, nobody wants them. When they are discontinued, everybody buys them. Go figure. :banghead:
 
I bought a new 629 Mountain Gun 11/02 for .44 Specials and .44 Russians. Last June, I bought a new SBH 4.6" and fitted a QPR Bird's Head Grip - again, destined for Specials and Russians. I reload, so most rounds have been 240gr LSWC/LRNFP's. Believe me, other than a little carbon/lead fouling, which is easily dispatched with a proper size chamber brush and Hoppes, both revolvers are fine - and occasionally see some .44 Magnums.

Between those .44's, I also bought new .44 Specials - an '83 vintage 24-3, 296, 696, and Heritage 24. I like those 24's, love the 696, and carry the 296 for a CCW. If I didn't have a dedicated .44 Special, I'd repeat my history and grab a new 629MG, since they are once again available from S&W. I'd put on a nice pair of wood stocks for the Specials and Russians, as mine has now, and get a .500 Magnum Hogue rubber grip for the Magnum loads, also as I have done. The 629MG new is a lot less dear than the TR21 model - and looks similar, albeit in SS and sporting an adjustable sight.

Stainz
 
It's the same old story. The more you get into guns, the more you appreciate guns that the average guy has no interest in. When the 624 came out in 83 or so, the dealers couldn't give them away. They weren't magnum. I got a 3" for a song. Looking at the prices now, I may sell it, since I probably haven't shot it in 20 years..... :)
 
Sadly, I'd say used guns like the S&W 696, older S&Ws, or the Taurus 445 (which I know you disclaimed interest in) are the way to go.

The one new Charter 2000 Bulldog I handled was intolerably rough. Yuck.

However, if you're willing to wander over into single action territory (and have a lot of $$$), two current .44 Special revolvers that are not merely decent but superb would be the Freedom Arms 5-shot Model 97 ($1700+) and/or the U.S. Firearms Single Action ($1000+).

I covet both of those guns. Wouldn't turn down a nice 696 or a 445 either, by a long shot.
 
One thing to note, re the .44 S&W Special in general... S&W never has made a good sellor out of that caliber. It has always had a following, me included, but it just simply wasn't 'it' to many folks (Example: The .45 ACP revolvers (625) offer a bigger bullet at about the same velocity - and readily available ammo.). That persists today - the TR21 was a limited production. The last production .44 Special S&W offered, dropped from the '05 catalog, was the 396 - sort of an Al/Ti version of the 696. My local pusher still has a new one for $589... I am not tempted... one Al/Ti .44 Special, my 296, is enough for me.

I still think the new production 629MG is a fine choice for a neat 4" .44 - and, at the same price here as that last 396 ($589).

Stainz
 
Hmmm...maybe I'll have to go with a .45 Colt Ruger Redhawk, or .45 ACP S&W revolver (if they still make them). I hate the moon clips, so that knocks the .45 ACP down a level. .45 ACP is my favorite overall pistol cartridge (most of my semi-autos are in this chambering), but to me the moon clips are a PITA.

Essentially what I want, is .40 caliber or greater, without the punishing recoil of a full .44 magnum (yes, I've shot .44 magnum and CAN control it, but I do NOT find the recoil ENJOYABLE). I've tried .41 magnum and liked it, but the ammo is hard to find (more so than .45 Colt around here).

That leaves the choices to .45 Colt and .45 ACP I guess
 
What's wrong with guns NOT currently made, esp. older smith and wessons?

Yes, I'd consider used.

I want stainless steel though, so the 696 is a strong contender.
 
I don't know what happened. Another poster on TFL suggested that the Taurus move was only temporary so they could support newer designs, but he claimed no direct knowledge of this, just a reasoned response to the very same question you asked.

My understanding is similar to what you've heard. Taurus always brings out more new models than anyone else, but this year they are bringing out a lot even for Taurus. Apparently, they discontinued the big bore snubs, not because they aren't selling (though presumably they don't sell as much as some of the other models, or those other models would have been discontinued), but to free up factory capacity for the new models.

Unfortunately, I'm not as optimistic that they'll bring them back. One would hope when the capacity is increased, and/or some of the new models are retired (as certainly some will probably be) they'd bring back at least one or two of the big bore snubbies (I still really want a 445 or 450). However, once it is discontinued I doubt they'll return.
 
Surefire,

One thing that the 629MG has going for it is versatility. You can load up shotshell for snakes, etc; .44 Russians for nostalgia; .44 Specials, a la the 200gr Gold Dot JHP, for PD; and, the .44 Magnums for hunting, if desired. Of course, .44 Russians are hard to find, with .44 Specials not that much more plentiful. Of course, Wally World carries the Magnums. If you reload, like I do, it is a great choice... that 629MG is perfect for 240gr LSWC/LRNFP's @760-800fps - even with wood stocks. Of course, commercial ammo is $18-$24/50, so it isn't quite in the frugal range.

If you want the best big bore bang for your buck, look at the .45 ACP S&W 625's. The newest offering, the 625JM ('Jerry Miculek' special), is a 4" full lug with the gold bead interchangeable front sight, hard-chromed trigger and hammer, and Miculek-style wood stock - a bargain for MSRP $27 more than a standard 4" 625. Expect to pay $600-$650 new at a dealer. I've had mine, my second 4" 625, since Feb, when they first came out. It is a deal. Mine also has chamfered charge holes, an aid to fast reloading.

Of course, they come with a few full-sized moonclips. You'll need more - and the nutdriver-style de-mooner, all available from Brownell's. The 230gr FMJ .45 ACP ammo can be had anywhere for $11 (Wally World) or less for a box of fifty... just buy brass cased. The recoil is mild, the round is very accurate - and it will knock-over any rebounding steel plate target. As it is a revolver, it couldn't care less what bullet you load. Those included Miculek stocks run $70+, and are sufficient for any .45 ACP recoil. Moonclips aren't all that bad... just have 'enough' loaded (You can't have too many...).

If you want - and can find them - .45 Auto Rims can be used without clips. Georgia Arms has an excellent pair of new-brass such loads - a 200gr JHP and a 230gr LRN - around $12-$13/50. They can approach a standard .45 Colt load - in a shorter case. The HKS #25 speedloader works with the .45 AR's - the moonclpped .45 ACP's are a faster reload, of course. You can put a handfull of .45 AR's in your pocket, too.

About quality... I have to save my sheckles longer - thus buying fewer revolvers - but I buy mostly new S&W's. Their lifetime warranty, should you ever need it, is fast and in your name. A call to their 800# yields a free pick-up label within a few days. You will have your firearm back in 7-10days, too. A friend didn't like the pronounced cylinder ring on his Thunder Ranch 21 earlier this year. He bought it new that way, knowing they'd 'fix' it. He shot it - and called them. They returned it in 9 days - with a new or newly re-blued - cylinder and an eased bolt. It has a hint of a ring now, as it should. Good folks.

I'd also suggest a 625 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt as a great shooting big bore, although they are not currently available new. Mine was my first-ever S&W - a new shocker from my wife several years ago. I would feel fine loading mine with any standard SAAMI spec .45 Colt. It is a far better revolver than the .45 Colt Redhawk for plinking. It points better - and has a better trigger (The Redhawk has a longer pull, too.). My 5.5" RH has a steady home - mainly because the 'big 'ol gun' can take nuclear loads (It did permit me to sell my first Ruger DA - a .454 SRH!). Of course, the very reason I began reloading was the .45 Colt... $18-$25/50 for 'Cowboy Loads' - and try to find them anywhere but a wellstocked gunstore. Still, probably my all-time favorite round... at least today.

Find something you like the looks and feel of... the price will be forgotten soon enough. Your enjoyment will increase!

Stainz
 
As far as I am concerned the old S&W .44 Specials are among the most perfect guns ever made.
 
.38 Special, tell it brother! Back in 1996 I read that S&W was offering an L frame in .44 Spl. I couldn't wait to find one. Still have it. Still want an old M 24. I love the recoil of that cartridge. You really don't want to mess with some old guy who carries a .44 Spl.
 
One of my grails is a Smith & Wesson model of 1926; the old Wolf & Klar guns. Being as I'm here in California, it's an unlikely aquisition, but for those of you in one of the free states...

I have one of the new guns with the lock. It's not too bad, but it's a poor substitute overall, especially with cast bullets. And it cost more than many of the older guns, too. For non-Californians, this one is a no-brainer. Get onto Gunbroker, AuctionArms, or GunsAmerica and get yourself a nice S&W .44 Special!

(edit -- then move to California and sell it to me!)
 
I want to trade my 5" 629 "Classic" that's fired five rounds of .44 magnum and one box of .44 Special for a wood handled blue 3" or 4" model 24. The big 'Classic" just doesn't really trip my trigger. thought it would.

Lately I've got a yearn for a top breaker .44. I'd love to spring for the one that S&W shows in their 'engraved guns' section but $6500. for one gun, not collectible/investment type is a wall I can't bring myself to clambor over so what are the Uberti/Beretta, who else versions like, anyone know first hand?

I've got three revolvers that fire .45 acp but all are long barreled at 6". Some guy named "Stainz" has given me a taste for N frame snubbies :)


Wait a minute?? WHERE did this thread come from.....2005?? Wake up, kolo!!
 
HEy guys,

Y'all miss the addition this year to the S&W
Classic line? S&W is making the Model 24 in .44
SPecial with a 6" or 6 1/2" Bbl. & square but frame.

Randall
 
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