Any LEOs in the house want to share why they think CCW is a good thing?

Status
Not open for further replies.

reagansquad

Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2004
Messages
386
Any LEOs in the house want to share why they think CCW is a good thing?

I think this would be pretty valuable in discussion w/ antis.
 
I'd like to know too - LEO's only - we all know all of us have opines... but would be cool to hear from LEO's only... (heh i have mine too... of course)

heck - either way if you will =)

J/Tharg!
 
Been retired for several years but my opinion has not changed. I favor CCW for all adults ( violent ex felons excluded ) 18 and older because no one can guarantee your personal safety but you, and if you depend on LE to rescue you in time of peril, you will end up taking a dirt nap.
 
I favor CCW for all adults ( violent ex felons excluded ) 18 and older

But how come back in the old days according to Gordon Liddy kids would walk along the railroad tracks and no one would give a dead rat?

IMO, if the felons had served their entire term honestly, then they get them back. One more, and it's up to the firing line.
 
Brick said:

IMO, if the felons had served their entire term honestly, then they get them back. One more, and it's up to the firing line.

I have to agree. Serve the time, all right restored. The only exception being that if after release, the felon behaves in such a fasion that promts a fellow citizen to make the felon dead. well some folks just don't get it.

Back on topic of this tread, I too would like to hear the LEOs opinions.
 
IMO, if the felons had served their entire term honestly, then they get them back. One more, and it's up to the firing line.

If someone makes the decision to kill, maim, rape, rob at gunpoint or otherwise be willing to senselessly damage another person mentally or physically without regard, they deserve absolutely no respect from anyone, especially not the government.

If you want guns, you act like a human being, not a graceless lout. One serious slip up is the end of the line, that's how it should be. Anyone capable of murder (self defense excluded) doesn't deserve to own a single firearm.

Stealing a case of beer isn't hideously offensive. Uncouth and contemptible, but not life threatening. Stealing a case of beer at gunpoint is WAY over the line.

The discinction between misdemeanor and felony is well founded. Felonies loose you your rights, even your most basic human right, freedom. Why shouldn't you lose your right to bear arms if you've proved you can't "play nice?" Once time is served, the punishment for the crime has been served. That doesn't mean the person is no longer capable of duplicating the crime. More often than not, people come out of jail more churlish than when they went in. They already made the decision to commit the crime in the first place, why wouldn't they be capable of doing it again? If you lack the inhabition to not commit murder when your life isn't in immediate danger, you aren't fit to posess a firearm.

I apologize for the generalization and gruffness, but I feel strongly against criminals owning guns. Regardless, they're going to get them if they are allowed to purchase them or not so I suppose my opinion is moot.

[gripe]
Why can't police officers set up stings and clean illegal guns off the streets? If they can do it with drug dealers and prostitutes, why can't they do it with gun dealers?
[/gripe]

Now then, let's hear those LEO opinions!
 
Uber,

As you said, felons who want guns will get them anyway. Restricting felons from buying guns requires dealers to do background checks, which take time and cost money, and violate buyers' individual rights. It also prevents felons who want to turn their lives around from having firearms for defensive purposes.

But I'm not a LEO so I'll shut up now.
 
I'm going on five years now as an LEO. I don't have any problems with CCW. Many times in the past I've run somebody's DL and I've been informed by dispatch that they have a permit. Here in Idaho the carry permit has the same number as the one assigned to the person's DL. I don't freak out and tell the permit holder to keep their hands visible etc. Actually I don't even mention it unless I'm dealing with a suspect in a domestic battery etc. Then I would usually ask if they were carrying. Of course I would also have done a pat down before that.

Actually I have a CCW permit because it spares me the hassle of having to go through a NCIC check. Idaho is one of the states that dosen't require a permit holder to be checked through NCIC when they purchase a firearm.

For those who might be interested I was involved with revoking a permit a few years ago. This particular individual got mad at some people. So he went home, had several shots of whiskey, strapped on his shoulder holster and got his 1911. He made sure to empty the handgun and he was wearing a coat when he went back out. But he then confronted the folks whom had a grudge against and made sure that everybody in the immediate vicinity saw his firearm by pulling back his coat. He also made several remarks about his "hawgleg" fixing problems. By the way they were all unarmed and we had several independent witnesses who happened to be in the area when it went down. These witnesses played a crucial part in verifying the victim's account.

Well of course they called 911 and this gentleman went to jail for aggravated assault. His argument was that the gun was empty, but nobody knew that except him. The victims believed they were in danger. He got probation, but the sheriff revoked his license. This guy didn't deserve the permit and he gave a black eye to those permit holders who obey the law.

But with this one exception (it occurred three years ago) I've never had any problems with permit holders. I'd say probably 99.5 % are solid citizens.
 
I support CCW completely. I have not had any problems with those that carry legally. I have had major problems with those that are not supposed to have any type of fire arm. I have been in a knock-down-drag-out fight with a felon over his illegal fire arm (several reasons for not using deadly force here like backdrop, crowd, etc., but don't want to hi-jack the thread). I have had major problems with other felons over possession of fire arms. My feeling is that if you commit a felony, then you just gave up your right to own a weapon. You want a CCW, then obey the law and don't commit a felony or DV.

Police officer 6 years; Law Enforcement 10 years

Stay Safe,

James S.
:cool:
 
Even THAT idiot had enough sense not to load the gun! And they say we're not responsible enough.
Rofl - how many times has someone "unloaded" thier firearm to clean it... and OOPS.

Now - several shots of wiskey and a pissed attitude...

Man .. i wouldn't want to be someone who he was mad at... ND or on purpose - a bullet is a bullet... heh.

AT any rate - keep the LEO's commin!

J/Tharg!
 
He got probation, but the sheriff revoked his license.

Makes sense to me. Handing firearms irresponsibly is a serious matter, and ought to be dealt with accordingly.

As for felons, I believe we need to put together a mechanism to restore first time felons' civil rights after they've completed their sentences and spent a substantial period of time demonstrating they've amended the error of their ways. I think they should have to petition the courts, prove they've made full restitution, abstained from committing additional crimes, and become tax payers and good citizens.

I'd give a man a second chance if he's obviously earned it. Third, fourth, fifth, and so forth chances ought to be completely out of the question.
 
I'm a young LEO, in my twenties educated in the liberal public school system and liberal colleges. I'm attending my 3rd college now...working towards a Masters hopefully. Anyway here is how I became pro CCW.

When in high school and during the first year of college I was fairly anti-gun. My Dad was pro-gun, pro-NRA former cop with 14 years of LEO work in. I of course rebelled against the ideals of my father as most young men do.

One fine day I was walking along with my girlfriend and another friend in my Sophmore year of High School when a guy that had been in a fight with my brother saw me and though he was me. He then proceeded to follow us in his car yelling obscenities (at this point I had never met this guy and couldn't figure out what the heck he was doing) so we walk away across a field where he cannot follow us...finally he says somthing that crossed the line, I can't remember what, but I turned around to walk back and school him....well, he had a Ruger P series pointed right at us yelling stuff like "what now bitch?". Since we were about 50 yards away I turned back around and we cut through the field quick as possible away from the guy...........to make a long story short....it was the first time I ever wished I had a weapon, but I still remained fairly anti-gun.

Second time I was outside of a night club here in Dallas when a white Caddy drove up and and began shooting with a shotgun at a Red Neon full of hispanics with handguns. I grabbed two people and charged into the club with the crowd completely running over the door guy. We all ducked inside waiting for the gunfight to stop hoping nobody would come in the club. While ducked behind the wall in the club, I remember wishing there was a guard, cop or gun nearby.

In BOTH incidents, the cops never responded. In the first incident, I was accused of lying about the incident. Annoying.

So I had my Dad's old .357 Magnum and carried that with me BEFORE conceal and carry laws in Texas. I just left it in my truck. It actually saved my hide once (another story).

Finally Texas passes a Conceal and carry law but by the time I had the money and time I was already a LEO, but I got it anyway to be double righteous.

The moral of the story:

1.) The cops (myself included) are not there to protect you, we are to protect society. The difference is, if you commit a crime, ideally we will CATCH the person who done it, not necassarily STOP them from doing it except that they are scared that they will be CAUGHT. Cops are to be reactive, not proactive. Proactive is when rights get violated. Cops are a deterant through certainty of punishment.

2.) The bad guys have guns, knives, clubs or some other nefarious weapon to use against a weaker victim. FACT: bad guys stack the odds in their favor when commiting a crime (or try to). If they were TRUE risk takers, they would be small businessmen or investors, not thieves, thugs and muggers.

3.) Concealment Laws with proper training promote an educated society regarding arms, crime and the law. Which is always a plus. Responsible gun ownership is a beautiful thing.

4.) Deterance, gun owners deter crime more so than cops do. We are bound by the Bill of Rights, Judicial Oversight, Rugulations and Procedures. Cops are predictable in behavior to criminals, I'll admit it. We are ALWAYS willing to accept a surrender. Private gun owners are not nearly as predictable and uncertainty is scary to people who don't like taking risks.

5.) When only bad guys are armed, then bad guys get to do whatever they want. Police can't be everywhere at once. Heck, we can't even be in most places at once. The police to population ratio is usually staggering in most cities.

6.) Background checks, it is a reasonable risk to say that an individual who has not had a Class A misdomeanor or above in the first 21 years of life, likely won't commit one now.

Now for some suggestions and concerns I have:

1.) CHL holders who think they are the police. I have personally seen a guy wearing a CHL BADGE on his belt like a police badge. Seeing no gun in plain sight and no radio, I became curious...why would anyone single themselves out to be a victim like that? CHL holders do not have the same training, liability or responsibilities of a LEO. Just a cold hard fact. Some people take it upon themselves to go to a first rate facility such as Thunder Ranch and recieve BETTER gun handling training than cops get, but do they know how to perform a hostage negotiation? How about field first aid? How about legal knowledge to know when to intervine and when to just observe? Can they call for backup? This is not to downplay the capabilities and intelligence of the average joe, I believe that most of this applies for off duty cops as well. If you cannot call for backup and you are not the man of steel, don't be the dummy with a badge in plain view and don't get in a situation that you may escalate or become a victim in.

2.) CHL holders who refuse to cooperate with the police during a traffic stop or Terry Frisk because they have a "right to have a gun". A license does not automatically make it cool for you to tell a cop "no" when they ask you to surrender your weapon for the duration of a traffic stop or field interview. This is primarily a safety concern for the cop and sometimes is required by procedures. When people become ucooperative it is frustrating and makes one very nervous. You have a man or woman you know to be armed, who is resisting efforts to secure a weapon. Just do it, even if you don't like it, we're not gonna cap you. Nobody is above the law.

3.) Behave yourselves. People who get involved in fights or domestics with a gun on their hip make a routine situation very delicate.

4.) Gunshop commandos.........If half the stuff some people brag about in gun shops is true, then we live in the wild west. People need to realize that handguns kill and mame. A handgun wound is ugly, painful and permenant, psycologically if not physically. Shooting human beings is not funny, cool or heroic. It sometimes becomes a tragic necessity but it is a thing that will change your life and rarely for the better. Deadly force should be the LAST resort to save your life. I believe that people who use deadly force to save property pay more than they are willing to. More than the property is worth. Not that I think it should be illegal or that you should just lay down and be a victim, just keep in mind the cost involved in shooting someone. It doesn't just hurt you, or the person you shot, both people's families will likely suffer either financially or with the loss of a father, son, mother, etc. OR you may just handicap them for the rest of their lives......a stolen C.D. out of a car is not worth all that. However if you confront them and they TRY to hurt you, that's different. In Texas you are authorized to use deadly force to RECOVER property, which I disagree with.

Okay, I'll shut up now.
 
You dont need to be an LEO to know CCW reduces violent crime across the board.

"The Bias Against Guns: Why almost everything you've heard about gun control is wrong" John Lott Jr.

Read it. Learn it. Love it.
 
LEO with 15 years on the job

I started the Job in the fall of 1989. To day I have only been able to stop six or so crimes against persons or property in progress. All other crimes against persons or property were investigated and an arrest made. We get there after the crime is completed almost all the time.


That is why I teach children and adults how to use firearms and mindset. The old saying if you look like sheep you will be eaten is very true. Be aware and do not be afraid to take action. Be smart don't go where the troublemakers hang out.
 
Retired Special Agent of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID) with over 19 years of experience, plus going on 10 years of experience training law enforcement agencies in judgmental shooting.

I absolutely believe that everyone except for those convicted of a violent felony and those ajudicated mentally incompetent should have the right to carry a concealed weapon. The police can't be everywhere, and citizens should take responsibility for their own safety, the safety of their loved ones, and should participate communally in the safety of the general populace as well.

In furtherance of this goal, "good samaritan" laws should be passed which exempt shooters from any civil liability if they use their weapon in situations in which they reasonably believe they are defending the life or safety of an innocent third person.

Moreover, laws should be passed that governmental and private agencies that wish to prohibit concealed weapons on their premeses be required to provide locked storage at each entrance/exit for armed citizens to use while inside, and that said agencies assume all liability for any injury to an armed citizen on the premesis that could conceivably have been prevented had the citizen remained armed.

I don't agree that serving one's time for a violent felony "rehabilitates" one for concealed weapon purposes. There should be a legal process available to such persons to restore weapons possession rights, but that should be done sparingly, only after clear and convincing evidence of rehabilitation. Sorry, folks, the only reliable predictor of behavior is past behavior. Once you've shown you're willing to harm someone in violation of the law, you should be forever barred from the possession of a deadly weapon.

Just my humble opinion.
 
Now I realize that we here are all on the same page..but how come in the media you only hear of the LEO's who are anti-CCW??Like all these LEO"brass" who came out in favor of the AWB....makes you wonder..:scrutiny:
 
Im not a leo, but I would guess that in the media we only hear of the anti-ccw leos, is that the media has a huge bias against ccw. They are not likely to interview a pro ccw leo, when they are running a piece on "Blood will run in the streets and there will be wild west shootouts every day now that Concealed Carry has passed in State XXX."
 
No problem with national CCW here,as long as it is only extended to law abiding citizens and includes some sort of verification that the CCW holder knows the laws regarding the use of deadly physical force and competent operation of their weapon.

You guys who want to give felons their guns back legally are incredible. You must not have much contact with criminals. Your average criminal has years and years of criminal history under their belt before they get to the felony level that strips their gun proviledges. There is no reforming your average felon.
 
Or they get caught with the wrong pharmaceuticals.
Yeah, in significant amounts, and quite frankly, I can't stand druggies anyway..I have zero sympathy for them. You want some druggie out there legally carrying guns in public? I think not.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top