Anyone else have problems with proof of residency?

[dogtown tom]

Mman How about a certified copy of a notarized affidavit of residence signed under penalty of perjury and filed with the town clerk? What dealer would refuse something with so many official certifications?

Nope, alternate documentation must be "government issued".......a simple letter from any government agency will work as long as its shows the buyers name and current residence address.

 

[bikemutt]

It's the dreaded compliance inspection, not "audit". And ATF doesn't mail the dealer anything. Inspections aren't scheduled and dealers don't get "audit notices" in the mail.....where do ya'll get this stuff?

Planet metaphor.

 

[NavyLCDR]

NavyLCDR, the letter you posted references using a rural route address rather than a PO box. I think the one involving PO boxes says it requires a variance.

You are correct. My mistake

 

[dogtown tom]

bikemutt

Quote:
It's the dreaded compliance inspection, not "audit". And ATF doesn't mail the dealer anything. Inspections aren't scheduled and dealers don't get "audit notices" in the mail.....where do ya'll get this stuff?

Planet metaphor.

Is that in the Myth Galaxy?

 

[buckstrucks]

In fact I'm wondering whether California considers my PO box to be my legal residence. I guess that might be the case, since that is all that they will put on my license, but who knows. If not, none of that stuff applies anyway. Maybe I should write my own letter to the ATF and inquire of what is required.

Cali does not recognize a PO box. To take care of this problem I had the registration on my truck changed to show my PO box and my physical address. And a power bill and the like no longer counts either. It must be govt issued. If you really have an issue with this buy a fishing license where you can put what ever the hell you want on it for an address and you are good to go.

 

[ChaoSS]

Buckstrucks, does your registration show two different zip codes or are they the same for you? Because that's the problem right now, it's that my zip code on my registration only shows for the PO box, and my PA is a different zip code.

 

[9w1911]

in Nevada you have to have your mailing address listed on the license if I am not mistaken so that is why I have a po box on mine, I have a local private FFL do all of my transfers, he did not care about the po box thing I said here is my power bill with the physical address and he says its not needed. He also knows where I live is rural and had no mail service, now he is all I transfer from. Just a suggestion but its not a bad I deal if you find the same, a private FFL dealer, not a retail store and transfers will go so smooth. Now my FFL is like: oh where did you get this lower its really nice..haha

 

[dogtown tom]

9w1911 ....I have a local private FFL do all of my transfers, he did not care about the po box thing I said here is my power bill with the physical address and he says its not needed.....

Your dealer may not be a dealer for very much longer.

Both of you are in violation of Federal law. Your dealer for transferring a firearm to a buyer who did not properly complete a 4473 and did not submit his residence address as required. And you were not truthful on Question 2 as a P.O. Box is not your actual current residence address.

He (and you) need to read the instructions to Question 2 "Current Residence Address" on the 4473. The second sentence reads:
"Address cannot be a post office box."

Your power bill does not satisfy the requirement unless that utility is government owned. Any alternate documentation must be government issued and show your name and residence address.


99% of all firearm transaction questions can be answered by reading the instructions on the 4473 itself.........its a shame no one does.:banghead:

 

[ChaoSS]

I think I've found the answer to my dilemma. I've been wanting a C&R anyway. And I can't imagine that they would have a problem with the driver's license and federal FFL combo.


And Tom, the FFL may have problems over that issue, but the buyer shouldn't, as long as he puts his correct physical address on the 4473.

 

[RussellC]

I saw an area gun dealer fall into this trap. He had his store located at one end of the shopping strip. He was well known as one of the most reasonable priced guys around, usually giving better prices than the police discount, according to several officers I know. Well, he changed up his business and keeps no firearms on hand, just an office you make an appointment with and orders the gun. He relocated to the other end of the shopping center, now just an office.

A good friend of mine was buying a gun online, and was using him to do the transfer, as he is the cheapest around at 20 bucks. The place he bought it from balked as his FFL stated the address at the other end of the strip! Other shippers havent even noticed!

One problem with putting an address on your drivers license that isnt your mailing address, at least in Missouri is that the DMV sends all notices to whatever address is on your actual drivers lic. Always nice to know when they revoke your drivers lic because of a fail to appear or some such other silliness....

Russellc

 

[dogtown tom]

RussellC I saw an area gun dealer fall into this trap. He had his store located at one end of the shopping strip. He was well known as one of the most reasonable priced guys around, usually giving better prices than the police discount, according to several officers I know. Well, he changed up his business and keeps no firearms on hand, just an office you make an appointment with and orders the gun. He relocated to the other end of the shopping center, now just an office.

A good friend of mine was buying a gun online, and was using him to do the transfer, as he is the cheapest around at 20 bucks. The place he bought it from balked as his FFL stated the address at the other end of the strip! Other shippers havent even noticed!

That dealer changed addresses and didn't notify ATF?
That's a pretty serious infraction.

I'm surprised any dealer anywhere shipped to him at all. ATF even has the FFL EZcheck where you can check the validity of the dealers FFL and see if it matches his FFL addresses.

 

[ChaoSS]

One problem with putting an address on your drivers license that isnt your mailing address, at least in Missouri is that the DMV sends all notices to whatever address is on your actual drivers lic. Always nice to know when they revoke your drivers lic because of a fail to appear or some such other silliness....

I got arrested once (not going into the story, but long story short the cop lied, and I had no proof of it, and if convicted it probably would have meant the end of me being able to own guns). Anyway, I showed up in court, and the DA didn't press charges. So, good for me, right? Well, a year and a half later I tried to get a job and failed the background check, come to find out I've got an outstanding warrant for FTA for a new court date on the old charges. They had sent the notice to appear through the mail to my house, where I don't get mail delivery.


So, I lost a job over it, but because of the time lapsed, I was able to get the whole thing thrown out, without having to worry about the risk of legal trouble. Good, bad, I dunno, a little of both I guess.