rainbowbob
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Hearing protection was not the only advantage mentioned. Hearing enhancement is another potential advantage.
Anyone keep hearing protection by their HD gun?
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Hearing protection was not the only advantage mentioned. Hearing enhancement is another potential advantage.
I have never been in a HD situation, but the local law enforcement might wonder if I had time to put on hearing protection before I shot the person DRT why didnt I come up with a plan to catch them or scare them off. Might be hard to defend yourself in court too.
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Natman Said:
I use Peltor Comtac hearing protection. My employer paid several hundred dollars for them. I wear them daily and have used them for the past 5 plus years. I would estimate that conservatively I have several thousand hours of use with this hearing protection.
I am also employed as a full time shooting instructor. I teach many facites of shooting including combat and there's no way I would ever consider wearing hearing protection in the house while searching for a threat. I prefer to use my natural God given hearing when my life depends on it.
Natman's statement kinda bolsters my point:
I use Peltor Comtac hearing protection. My employer paid several hundred dollars for them. I wear them daily and have used them for the past 5 plus years. I would estimate that conservatively I have several thousand hours of use with this hearing protection.
I am also employed as a full time shooting instructor. I teach many facites of shooting including combat and there's no way I would ever consider wearing hearing protection in the house while searching for a threat. I prefer to use my natural God given hearing when my life depends on it.
Natman's statement kinda bolsters my point:
theotherwaldo
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I've never tried that type of hearing protection so I have no opinion. I do believe that, if I were in a time-critical defense situation, donning headgear of any sort wouldn't even enter my mind.
I don't use hearing protection when I hunt. I need all of my senses to be at 100% when hunting, and I've never felt any discomfort from the shot in a hunting situation. Occasional exposure like that is not something I'm concerned about. Maybe I should be, I guess, but I'm not about to stop my stalk on a deer/elk/pig/etc. to put on my hearing protection.
This is that much more important - my life or death situation, not some critter I'm after. Protecting myself and my family is my only priority. As has been mentioned, I'm not going to handicap myself in any way. In a self-defense situation, some possible hearing damage is the least of my worries.
This is that much more important - my life or death situation, not some critter I'm after. Protecting myself and my family is my only priority. As has been mentioned, I'm not going to handicap myself in any way. In a self-defense situation, some possible hearing damage is the least of my worries.
searcher451
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I agree totally. The last thing I want to be worried about, or stumbling around in the dark trying to accomplish, is getting on ear protection in the middle of a home invasion. I want to be able to hear the slightest noise from anywhere in the house -- including an "I give up" -- and I won't be able to do that with a set of plugs jammed into my ears.
Average Joe
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Well then, I guess you will use eye protection as well...
Officers'Wife
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Actually this thread makes me a bit nervous. I mean there were people that seriously wanted regulation that a HD weapon be trigger-locked with the ammunition locked in a separate drawer. For our own good, of course.
I can just see these people demanding the use of eye and ear protection locked in a third drawer- for our own good...
I can just see these people demanding the use of eye and ear protection locked in a third drawer- for our own good...
shooter429
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The whole thing is a bit silly
We have beat it to death. Consesnsus is that it is not reasonable or prudent to wear ear protection during an HD/SD encounter. The professionals don't do it, why would a citizen. Anybody that has the time to put on something might be better served grabbing their vest. Now, I think its time to put it to rest.
Shooter429
We have beat it to death. Consesnsus is that it is not reasonable or prudent to wear ear protection during an HD/SD encounter. The professionals don't do it, why would a citizen. Anybody that has the time to put on something might be better served grabbing their vest. Now, I think its time to put it to rest.
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That's the first thing I reach for. I can't see a thing without wearing my glasses.
jake says: "-Obstruct your hearing, no matter how good the electronic muffs are."
then the model i have must be 'special' ...
i have mine on my safe. if there's no time, no worries, i would ignore them obvoiusly. but i've put mine on, and had my wife wisper from the main floor kitchen, and i'm in hte upstairs MBRoom, and with the doors open i can hear her speaking... without the muff's, not a chance.
so in one of those: "she's dialing 911 and i'm arming/standoff'ing" and there's time, conciously not grabbing them would put me at a disadvantage.
just ask your local rangemaster if he hears the folks he scolds cursing him under their breath as he walks away
then the model i have must be 'special' ...
i have mine on my safe. if there's no time, no worries, i would ignore them obvoiusly. but i've put mine on, and had my wife wisper from the main floor kitchen, and i'm in hte upstairs MBRoom, and with the doors open i can hear her speaking... without the muff's, not a chance.
so in one of those: "she's dialing 911 and i'm arming/standoff'ing" and there's time, conciously not grabbing them would put me at a disadvantage.
just ask your local rangemaster if he hears the folks he scolds cursing him under their breath as he walks away
Cannonball888
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Because I'm such a light sleeper I sleep with earplugs, so if I'm ever awakened (and it would take my wife shaking me) I'm already covered.
moooose102
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no, i do not. 1) the actual chance of me NEEDING to use it is probably pretty low, 2) if i actually DO need to use it, i am going to need every sensor i can get. if i plug up my ear canal with foam, it could swing the favor to the B.G.,3) if i am defending my home, i would rather have hearing loss, than dead kids/wife/me.
Mascoma
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One can practice weekly, but using ear protection during a home invasion...
man you are going to be jacked so high you won't even think of the muffs or plugs or whatever, all you will be worried about is your family. oh and finding that SOB that just came in unannounced you know the one that will be leaving in a bodybag.
man you are going to be jacked so high you won't even think of the muffs or plugs or whatever, all you will be worried about is your family. oh and finding that SOB that just came in unannounced you know the one that will be leaving in a bodybag.
jakemccoy
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I have a few reported home invasions on my youtube channel below. Some are news clips after the fact, and two are actual 911 calls. In the situations on the videos, I can not imagine throwing on earmuffs. This idea of throwing on earmuffs still seems highly unrealistic to me. I would like to know if any gun owner, in the history of all home invasions of all time, has ever thrown on earmuffs in the middle of an actual home invasion.
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I don't go looking for trouble. By the time a home invader gets past the bars, alarm with very disturbing siren and strobe (not in our bedroom), and dogs, I will know where he/they is/are and their heading. A successful breach of the bedroom door will result in a very pointed response. I have electronic muffs handy where we might likely have time to choose to use them. Everywhere else their use is less useful or likely. It's as simple as keeping the range bag in the bedroom.
More importantly we have discussed and drilled likely scenarios. One outcome is that we've discovered my wife is unintelligible over the phone when under stress. Our plan to have her call the cavalry while I cover a field of fire went out the window. We now have a speaker phone in the bedroom. Being an adrenalin junky (various risky adventure sports) I tend to handle surprises and stress better. Multitasking on the phone while dealing with an invasion isn't ideal, but the speakerphone makes the help line hands-off for whoever is screeching for backup/medic.
Anywhere else in the house/yard is just normal holstered sidearm, and awareness. Good dogs and strategic CCTV keep the surprises to a minimum. If I have to draw a gun while surprised I'm probably already screwed.
More importantly we have discussed and drilled likely scenarios. One outcome is that we've discovered my wife is unintelligible over the phone when under stress. Our plan to have her call the cavalry while I cover a field of fire went out the window. We now have a speaker phone in the bedroom. Being an adrenalin junky (various risky adventure sports) I tend to handle surprises and stress better. Multitasking on the phone while dealing with an invasion isn't ideal, but the speakerphone makes the help line hands-off for whoever is screeching for backup/medic.
Anywhere else in the house/yard is just normal holstered sidearm, and awareness. Good dogs and strategic CCTV keep the surprises to a minimum. If I have to draw a gun while surprised I'm probably already screwed.
Again, thanks for all the replies. Seems like we've pretty much beaten it to death. Also seems like most people didn't read the whole question.
I was NOT talking about normal ear muffs or ear plugs. I heartily agree that muffling all sounds during a SD situation is STUPID. I WAS talking about electronic ear muffs, which, if you guys read everyone else's responses, those who ACTUALLY USE them on a regular basis testify that they IMPROVE your hearing of low level sounds while still protecting your hearing from loud sounds. That sounds like a win-win to me.
Unjustified shoot because you had time to put on ear muffs? Come on. It takes longer to dial 911 than it does to put on muffs. Throw them on after you're in a defensible location with your weapon of choice while you're waiting for 911 to connect. I can think of VERY FEW situtations where I wouldn't have the >1 second to put on muffs. Still, I'm not saying it would be the first (or second or third) thing on my mind, but if it was there and would help, why not? I don't plan on jumping out of bed, grabbing my tac-light/laser/red dot/night vision equipped rifle, and running out the bedroom door to go room clearing.
Anyway, I don't think any minds are going to change so keep doing whatever you're doing and stay safe.
I was NOT talking about normal ear muffs or ear plugs. I heartily agree that muffling all sounds during a SD situation is STUPID. I WAS talking about electronic ear muffs, which, if you guys read everyone else's responses, those who ACTUALLY USE them on a regular basis testify that they IMPROVE your hearing of low level sounds while still protecting your hearing from loud sounds. That sounds like a win-win to me.
Unjustified shoot because you had time to put on ear muffs? Come on. It takes longer to dial 911 than it does to put on muffs. Throw them on after you're in a defensible location with your weapon of choice while you're waiting for 911 to connect. I can think of VERY FEW situtations where I wouldn't have the >1 second to put on muffs. Still, I'm not saying it would be the first (or second or third) thing on my mind, but if it was there and would help, why not? I don't plan on jumping out of bed, grabbing my tac-light/laser/red dot/night vision equipped rifle, and running out the bedroom door to go room clearing.
Anyway, I don't think any minds are going to change so keep doing whatever you're doing and stay safe.
jakemccoy
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Strakele,
I hear you, pun intended. I just don't know of anybody who has put on any ear muffs during a real or false home invasion. Instead of dealing in theory, I'd like to talk to somebody who's actually done it.
By the way, a prosecutor coming after you is definitely going to question the justification of your shoot if you had time to put on earmuffs, eye protection, a vest or whatever else you decide to put on. A prosecutor is going to question everything. Would putting on earmuffs hurt your case? Maybe or probably. Would putting on earmuffs help your case? Definitely not.
-Jake
I hear you, pun intended. I just don't know of anybody who has put on any ear muffs during a real or false home invasion. Instead of dealing in theory, I'd like to talk to somebody who's actually done it.
By the way, a prosecutor coming after you is definitely going to question the justification of your shoot if you had time to put on earmuffs, eye protection, a vest or whatever else you decide to put on. A prosecutor is going to question everything. Would putting on earmuffs hurt your case? Maybe or probably. Would putting on earmuffs help your case? Definitely not.
-Jake
Officers'Wife
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You are trying to use logic and sense in relation to law. The two are mutually exclusive. Putting on ear muffs would demonstrate the intent to use a deadly weapon before the fact. After arguing picking up the weapon was 'just in case,' hearing protection would stretch the point further than many juries would be willing to accept.
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