Anyone know how long Trump has been an NRA member?
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ewlyon
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It doesn't really tell you anything. It seems like a lot of anti-gunners in the media and in politics buy the life membership just so they can use that as evidence of supporting gun rights. I am not saying anything about Trumps positions but anyone can buy a life membership
rcmodel
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It's possible it's been for a long time.
He raised his two sons as hunters.
They own guns obviously.
And he has stated he would like to do more hunting then he has ever had time to do.
The PETA people hate them all!!
And that means they are closer to thinking like most of us then PETA.
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trumps-son-game-hunting-photos/
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/stasi-hed-article-1.2311902
rc
He raised his two sons as hunters.
They own guns obviously.
And he has stated he would like to do more hunting then he has ever had time to do.
The PETA people hate them all!!
And that means they are closer to thinking like most of us then PETA.
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trumps-son-game-hunting-photos/
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/stasi-hed-article-1.2311902
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Texreckshooter
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If he just joined recently, that would be an even bigger sign of not being politically correct in today's world. That would be a truly "shove it" to the news media statement.
But I have no idea when he joined.
But I have no idea when he joined.
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Steel Horse Rider
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Trump has repeatedly shown that he will do whatever is expedient to reach his goals so I would not try to extrapolate anything from the fact that he is or is not a member of any group. It would not surprise me to find he also is a member of a number of organizations that are polar opposites in philosophy.
If he just recently became a Life Member, then I'd be suspect of his motivations also. But, if he was an NRA member before he started talking about his political aspirations, then it would have more credibility to me.
So, I guess that breaks the situation down to two separate questions:
1) When did he become a member (or Life Member)?
2) When did he start trying to make a political career?
I have no idea the answer for #1. For question #2, I remember that four years ago he was at least talking about a presidential run, but I don't really remember much about him (politically) before then.
If we can determine that he was an NRA member long before he ventured into politics, I'd be more likely to believe his current Pro-Gun sentiment.
So, I guess that breaks the situation down to two separate questions:
1) When did he become a member (or Life Member)?
2) When did he start trying to make a political career?
I have no idea the answer for #1. For question #2, I remember that four years ago he was at least talking about a presidential run, but I don't really remember much about him (politically) before then.
If we can determine that he was an NRA member long before he ventured into politics, I'd be more likely to believe his current Pro-Gun sentiment.
TimSr
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If there's one thing I'd wish for all voting people, its to look at what they've done, and how long they've held their views, more than what they say today. it's very rare for any elected politician to surprise those who elected them if the voters actually looked at the information readily available.
Shanghai McCoy
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If more politicians were judged by their Deeds and not words there would be less "politicians" and more Leaders.
@Texreckshooter
Joining the NRA at a time when more Americans are against gun control, when more guns than ever are being sold, and in the midst of a years-long trend of liberalizing carry laws isn't exactly being edgy. If it were an indication of anything, I would think expediency might be worth a look first.
Joining the NRA at a time when more Americans are against gun control, when more guns than ever are being sold, and in the midst of a years-long trend of liberalizing carry laws isn't exactly being edgy. If it were an indication of anything, I would think expediency might be worth a look first.
What's the membership status of the rest of the pack?
Who actually owns guns and shoots them? I don't mean the photo op with your ducky-wucky O/U that is so popular.
If you from a state with a CCW provision, do you have a license or permit?
Who actually owns guns and shoots them? I don't mean the photo op with your ducky-wucky O/U that is so popular.
If you from a state with a CCW provision, do you have a license or permit?
X-Rap
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Look to Trumps sons for his strong progun swing.
I'm not sure he even hunts but I saw one of his boys interviewed who credited his maternal grandfather with introducing him to hunting and the outdoors.
He is also strongly 2A and an avid shooter and competitor.
My biggest concern would be Jeb and then Rubio, Carson, with no worries over Cruz or Trump.
I'm not sure he even hunts but I saw one of his boys interviewed who credited his maternal grandfather with introducing him to hunting and the outdoors.
He is also strongly 2A and an avid shooter and competitor.
My biggest concern would be Jeb and then Rubio, Carson, with no worries over Cruz or Trump.
DeepSouth
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Trump has supported an assault weapons ban, mandatory waiting periods, as well as other anti gun positions.
As for when he joined th NRA, I don't know but in 2000 he said "The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions".
Most of that was in the last 90's and early 2000's, I trust him with guns as much as I'd trust the Cookie Monster to keep my Oreos.
As for when he joined th NRA, I don't know but in 2000 he said "The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions".
Most of that was in the last 90's and early 2000's, I trust him with guns as much as I'd trust the Cookie Monster to keep my Oreos.
loose noose
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Exactly what Deep South just stated, I believe Carson is pro-second amendment, and would have no problem with our rights, as well as Cruz, however, I do have my doubts about Trump.
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I'd like to say again that Trump was raised in the same area of New York City that I was, where anti-gun sentiments and regulations were and still are very strong.
Cops and crooks were the only ones with guns. If you had a gun, you were either one or the other.
It is not surprising to me that anyone brought up in that situation, who has expanded his "horizons" to the rest of the country, would sincerely reverse or at least moderate his viewpoint on firearms.
Just like me, who turned 180° around in this matter after I came out to Colorado.
It was most certainly not a matter of "political expediency" for me, and I would not be so quick to accuse him of that, given the political climate of his former years.
Most of my relatives back in New York City and Long Island are shocked to their souls that I own firearms, and in fact carry one every day, everywhere. I have therefore become, to many of them, that crazy gun nut uncle out west.
Terry, 230RN
I'd like to say again that Trump was raised in the same area of New York City that I was, where anti-gun sentiments and regulations were and still are very strong.
Cops and crooks were the only ones with guns. If you had a gun, you were either one or the other.
It is not surprising to me that anyone brought up in that situation, who has expanded his "horizons" to the rest of the country, would sincerely reverse or at least moderate his viewpoint on firearms.
Just like me, who turned 180° around in this matter after I came out to Colorado.
It was most certainly not a matter of "political expediency" for me, and I would not be so quick to accuse him of that, given the political climate of his former years.
Most of my relatives back in New York City and Long Island are shocked to their souls that I own firearms, and in fact carry one every day, everywhere. I have therefore become, to many of them, that crazy gun nut uncle out west.
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xXxplosive
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Seems he does have a NYC CCL.......only candidate I believe.
Red Wind
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X-Rap said:
I've known Marco since he was born in 1971. He grew up and still lives a half a mile from my old house in West Miami. Both my sons sons know him personally from endless days at the City Rec Center. He has always been a strong RKBA backer.
Jeb was strongly pro gun as a Florida Governor for 8 years and I'm sure he remains that way. Carson I know nothing tangible about.
ETA: Here are all the Presidential candidates OnTheIssues.
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danez71
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I did some digging the last time this came up.
The 2 older sons are 31 and 37 (the articles are about 1 yr old now).
Introduced to fishing and hunting by their maternal grandfather who was from Czechoslovakia.
In an interview a few yrs ago, the elder son said that Donald Sr didnt understand why they liked hunting and fishing when the we're teens with their grampa but supported their intrests. That article was in Forbes I believe.
As they grew up into adults, they continued hunting and fishing including big game.
The sons said they had always remained close with Donald Sr
That could very well explain how/why Donald Sr's thoughts on guns has evolved for the better over the last 15 yrs.
The timing makes sense with them going from teens to adults and remaining close during that time frame.
Imaging them sitting around the table on Thanksgiving talking about their hunts and how restrictive NY is.
It's certainly plausible that his kids' interests, along with their closeness, has played a big part in him becoming pro 2A
The 2 older sons are 31 and 37 (the articles are about 1 yr old now).
Introduced to fishing and hunting by their maternal grandfather who was from Czechoslovakia.
In an interview a few yrs ago, the elder son said that Donald Sr didnt understand why they liked hunting and fishing when the we're teens with their grampa but supported their intrests. That article was in Forbes I believe.
As they grew up into adults, they continued hunting and fishing including big game.
The sons said they had always remained close with Donald Sr
That could very well explain how/why Donald Sr's thoughts on guns has evolved for the better over the last 15 yrs.
The timing makes sense with them going from teens to adults and remaining close during that time frame.
Imaging them sitting around the table on Thanksgiving talking about their hunts and how restrictive NY is.
It's certainly plausible that his kids' interests, along with their closeness, has played a big part in him becoming pro 2A
DeepSouth
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That's a legitimate point, but let's make a quick timeline.
Trump was born in 1946, roughly 55 years later (early2000's) he was saying things like "Nothing I Like Better Than Nobody Has Them” when talking about guns.
He now 15ish years later, he supposedly changed his mind, for some unknown reason.
But we should take his word for it because his children hunt, sorry but I'm not buying what he's selling.
Poper
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That sounds like an open mind.
I'm open to the concept espoused in danez71's post, but I am also unconvinced. I need more data points to come to a conclusion.
The thing that troubles me more about Trump is his mouth. He has a tendency to shoot first and think later.
He seems to be lacking in self discipline where he puts his mouth in gear before engaging his brain, as my 82 year old mother would say.
bikerdoc
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This will get closed if it leaves 2A discusion and becomes a political discusion .
DeepSouth
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Discernment frequently closes minds, open minds are frequently easier to manipulate.
Facts are facts, and when he has spent years as a supporter of gun control, giving tens of thousands to anti gun politicians, then no I'm not inclined to give him the benefit fit of doubt. Especially when he has never said he was wrong when he said those things, he just pretends he didn't say them.
Red Wind
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I know that Bush,Cruz and Rubio are strong RKBA candidates. Trump is an unknown RKBA quantity,IMO. His instability is a known, visible quantity.
danez71
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So let's look at what he said 16-17 yrs ago
Thats certainly not as pro 2A as he's claiming now... but I wouldn't even say he was an "anti" then.
So even back then he was light years better than any anti on stage today.
17 yrs is plenty of time to genuinely evolve ones own opinion.
Can anyone honestly say that your own opinions have not changed 1 bit in the last 17 yrs?
If nothing else, you're more educated on the 2A and your opinions are even stronger.
And he very well could be in the same boat.... more educated on the 2A.
I cautiously give him the benefit of the doubt on this issue.
Thats certainly not as pro 2A as he's claiming now... but I wouldn't even say he was an "anti" then.
So even back then he was light years better than any anti on stage today.
17 yrs is plenty of time to genuinely evolve ones own opinion.
Can anyone honestly say that your own opinions have not changed 1 bit in the last 17 yrs?
If nothing else, you're more educated on the 2A and your opinions are even stronger.
And he very well could be in the same boat.... more educated on the 2A.
I cautiously give him the benefit of the doubt on this issue.
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