Anyone know if this is real?

[xxjumbojimboxx]

I don't think it is because of the all brass frame... but maybe one of y'all will know... looks like it in too good of condition.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

I think the screws look too new as well.

 

[1KPerDay]

What do you mean by "real"? Original/vintage/1800s? No.

 

[fogg64]

Looks like a real blackpowder revolver or are asking if it is an original?

 

[1KPerDay]

Appears to be italian. Incomplete/poorly stamped italian proof marks.

http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf

The PN is the blackpowder proof mark. The A and whatever letter next to it in a box is the year of mfg mark. The one to the right looks to be the Gardone blackpowder proof house mark.

 

[Old Fuff]

I'm not sure what you mean by "real."

But if you mean an original 19th century revolver, the answer is "no."

It's an Italian copy made much more recently.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

Heheh yes, real as in original old school!, I didnt think it was , but thanks for the replies.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

anyone know what its worth? i know cva and uberti reproduced a few of these.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

Pietta, Uberti, Armi San Marco, Armi Chiappa, Armi San Paolo, Palmetto, Euroarms, and a half dozen lesser known makers. A Spanish factory also made some nice repro revolvers, Santa Barbara. There is still a German maker of some high end Rogers and Spencer repros. I believe Pedersoli's revolvers are all steel frame, so it would be any of the first seven listed above.

What is the date code on the gun? That might help narrow it down. ASM ceased production about 5-7 years ago, as did Palmetto. I think ASP stopped over 10 years ago.

 

[swathdiver]

$100 if it works good, $50-75 if it needs cones or in poor shape.

Cabelas frequently has them for $150 on sale.

The partial A in the square box is part of the date code, it was made sometime between 1975 and 1990.

ASM, Pietta, Uberti and ASP made this one during this time along with some lesser known makers.

 

[Fingers McGee]

Yes, it is a real replica of the .44 caliber Schneider and Glassick that was never made back when. Check under the barrel for makers name. It's probably an ASM.

 

[BowerR64]

What make it a Schneider and Glassick over a colt 1851 in .44?

I thought thats what it is.

Whats the difference between that one and mine i got at cabelas for $150. ?

 

[1KPerDay]

The difference is there never was a Colt 1851 with a brass frame, let alone in .44.

Schneider and Glassick made an almost exact copy of the Colt 1851 in .36 with a brass frame.

So I guess it could be argued that the pistol in question is closer to the Schneider and Glassick than a Colt 1851.

The Griswold & Gunnison was similar but had a round barrel. The Leech & Rigdon was another close copy but with a round barrel and far as I know a steel frame.

I'm not aware of any "1851 types" made historically in .44.

 

[BowerR64]

The difference is there never was a Colt 1851 with a brass frame, let alone in .44.

Schneider and Glassick made an almost exact copy of the Colt 1851 in .36 with a brass frame.

So I guess it could be argued that the pistol in question is closer to the Schneider and Glassick than a Colt 1851.

The Griswold & Gunnison was similar but had a round barrel. The Leech & Rigdon was another close copy but with a round barrel and far as I know a steel frame.

I'm not aware of any "1851 types" made historically in .44.

I thought maybe the markings on the cylinder were the difference. Mine is smooth his has artwork on it.

I knew that the 51 didnt originaly come in .44 and pietta just made one and called it the 51 in .44 but i didnt know about the Schneider and Glassick i thought all the 1851s were .36 in brass by colt. I guess they were .36 in steel with just brass backstrap?

 

[1KPerDay]

Correct. Steel frames, brass gripframes (silver plated brass some of them). The London models were all steel including the grip frame.

You can see some of the remaining silver plating on this one for example:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/colt-1851-navy-c9578/#.UzyOjPldV8E

 

[Fingers McGee]

I thought maybe the markings on the cylinder were the difference. Mine is smooth his has artwork on it.

I knew that the 51 didnt originaly come in .44 and pietta just made one and called it the 51 in .44 but i didnt know about the Schneider and Glassick i thought all the 1851s were .36 in brass by colt. I guess they were .36 in steel with just brass backstrap?

It isn't just Pietta that makes/made .44 cal, brass framed '51 lookalikes. Uberti, Euroarms, and Armi San Marco made them as well. Onliest ones that are still in production are the Piettas.

As an aside. The real, no joke Colt 1851 Navies could be had with Brass, Silver plated brass or blued iron/steel back straps and trigger guards. The bulk of the US manufactured '51s had silver plated BS/TG (although all of the U.S. Navy '51s were blued iron), and the bulk of the London made '51s were blued iron; but, there were numerous plain brass and plated brass BS/TGs as well.

Additionally, there were three types of London Models. Early-Londons were made in England from parts made in America & shipped to London. London-Londons were made from parts made in England; then there were Hartford - Londons that were made in Hartford and shipped to England where they were proofed and sold.

 

[1KPerDay]

Thanks for the correction and clarification, Fingers.

 

[hartcreek]

It could well be an early CVA.

 

[swathdiver]

CVA was an importer and before they stamped their Pietta's with their CVA logo, they were stamping ASMs (Armi San Marco).

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

You wouldn't miss the CVA logo on the side of the frame if it was imported by CVA. Their logo was pretty big.

 

[hartcreek]

Not all the CVAs have that logo.

 

[IM391]

I saw these for sale at Cheaper than Dirt back in the early 90's They sold for around $300 when people were really into black powder. It obviously a Colt model remake. Times have changed. You can find them new at Cabalas for around $200 and being used with no accessories, like box etc. $80 or so. You might get more at Cowboy action shooting areas.

 

[Hullraiser]

Get some BP equivalent, caps & balls and have some fun. Looks like its in pretty good shape.
I just picked up a 1958 in stainless and going to make some smoke next week.
I think they're well worth the $.
A holster is a good idea too