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anyone know latin.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Hoppy590, Dec 21, 2006.

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  1. Hoppy590

    Hoppy590 Member

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    many of us know, "Ultima Ratio Regnum" means "The Final Argument of Kings". King Louis XIV had these words stamped onto the barrel of his cannons. does anyone know latin enough to reword this to something like

    "the final arguemant for kings" "the final arguement against kings" ect ?

    this is gun related. i figure its a good "Molon Labe" type saying
     
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    Desidero che
     
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    Ultima Ratio Contra Reges

    (or so says my foggy memory of highschool Latin. Contra takes the accusative. Rex -> Reges, Reges, Reges...)
     
  5. MatthewVanitas

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    A Latin phrase meaning something similar:

    Sic Semper Tyrannis


    "Thus always to tyrants"


    Supposedly said by Brutus as he killed Caesar. State motto of VA. Supposedly said by J. Wilkes Booth as he shot Lincoln.



    -MV
     
  6. 1911 guy

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    I'm rusty, too, but here goes.

    Ratio Reges Ultima (final argument of kings)

    Tellner has it right for "against" kings rather than "of" kings.
     
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    My own high-school Latin is also showing its age, but I've thought it might be neat to engrave a rifle barrel or handgun with a similar but different motto:

    Ultima Ratio Cives - The Final Argument of a Citizen.
     
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    "Right, now go write it 100 times on the walls."


    (Sorry, but I'm a huge Monty Python fan).
     
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    thats part of what got me thinking

    thanks for the input thus far guys.

    wich do you think works better?
    Ultima Ratio Contra Reges - Final argument against kings
    Ultima Ratio Cives - The Final Argument of a Citizen.
     
  10. Cliff47

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    Having never taken Latin in school (many years ago), I could probably add that language to those (Vietnamese, and Thai are two) where I would get my face slapped.
     
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    Ultima Ratio Cives Contra Tyrannis Reges

    The Final Argument of a Citizen against Tyrants and Kings.

    I like it.
     
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    You beat me to it. Of course it also helps to tell people that the Virginia state flag has a picture of lady justice, holding a spear, standing over the corpse of a tyrant. (suddenly the motto makes more sense).


    Another one that pops into mind is
    Abusus non tollit usum - Wrong use does not preclude proper use.
     
  15. GhostlyKarliion

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    I don't pretent to remember everything, but a few minutes with a dictionary as a refersher, I think it should be

    Ultima - Adj
    lesser; far; farther; farthest, latest; last; highest, greatest;

    Ratio - Noun
    account, reckoning, invoice; plan; prudence; method; reasoning; rule; regard;

    Civis - Noun
    fellow citizen; countryman/woman; citizen, free person; a Roman citizen;

    Contra - Prep
    against, facing, opposite; weighed against; as against; in resistance/reply to;
    contrary to, not in conformance with; the reverse of; otherwise than;
    towards/up to, in direction of; directly over/level with; to detriment of;

    Tyrannus - Noun
    tyrant; despot; monarch, absolute ruler; king, prince;

    Regis - Noun
    king;

    Ultima Ratio Civis Contra Tyrannus Regis
    [the] last method [of a/the] citizen against [a] Tyrant [and/or] King

    Ultima Ratio Civis Contra Regis Tyrannus
    [the] last method [of a/the] citizen against [a] King [and/or] Tyrant

    however I can't remember if the nouns are in the right place, if Civis should come last or not?
     
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    ulterior -ius compar. as from ulter , [farther, more distant, more advanced, more remote]. Superl. ultimus -a -um, [most distant, farthest, extreme]; in time or succession, either [original] or [last, final]; 'ad ultimum', [to the last]; 'ultimum', [for the last time]; in rank, etc., either [highest, greatest], or [meanest, lowest].


    defendo -fendere -fendi -fensum (1) [to repel , repulse, ward off, drive away] (2) [to defend, protect]; esp. [to defend in court]; in argument, [to maintain a proposition or statement]; [to sustain a part].

    appugno -are [to assault , fight against].
    incurso -are [to run against , strike against, attack

    regnum -i n. (1) [royal power , monarchy, supremacy; tyranny]. (2) [a realm, kingdom, estate].
    ].

    so: Ultimum Defendo Incurso Regnum or
    Ultimum Defendo Appugno Regnum
     
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    No offense, oneshot, but that's not quite right. I don't remember much about my Latin, but I do remember that when you look up a verb, such as "defendo" it means "I defend." Defendare means "to defend" etc. That's the verb form. Not the noun form. You need the word for "defense" not "defend."

    And I can't believe that we're sitting here picking apart latin :)
     
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    And then don't do it again!
     
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    I don't remember much of it, but I have a younger cousin that's taking his 4th year in high school right now. I can pass it on to him and see if he knows or his teacher.
     
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    The house painter is from Latin America. I'll ask him.:D
     
  21. one-shot-one

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    ok taking jcoiii'srecomendation

    defense:

    adsumptivus -a -um [deriving its defense from an extraneous cause].

    arma -orum n. pl. [defensive arms , armor, weapons of war]; hence [war, soldiers, military power; protection, defense];in gen. [tools, equipment].

    inermis -e [unarmed , defenseless, helpless].

    inermus -a -um [unarmed , defenseless, helpless].

    nudus -a -um [naked , bare, uncovered; defenseless, deprived; unadorned, plain; bare, mere, alone, only].

    recuso -are [to object to , protest against, refuse]; legal, [to take exception, plead in defense].

    Ultimum Recuso Incurso Regnum or
    Ultimum Recuso Appugno Regnum
    still probably not a perfect translation but they would get the point, especially if the cannons are pointed at them.
     
  22. Grampa

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    How about the Spanish or Latin for:

    "Draw me not without just cause: Sheath me not without honor."

    Apparently a common engraving on calvary swords...
     
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    Now for bonus points, spell it phonetically for pronounciation in classical Latin! :p

    jm, summa cum laude, National Latin Exam 1987, but I've forgotten most everything . . .
     
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    Ultimum Recuso Appugno Regnum

    ULtimum reC00so apPOOGno REGnum
     
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