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After my fathers funeral last week, my brother found the rilfle that my dad taught me to shoot with. It's been missing for several years, we had all thought it was lost in house fire over 20 years ago. Naturally, being the only gun nut in the family I've brought it home. I have no intentions of shooting it anymore, and not really concerned with a value due to the sentimental value it holds. I would like to know it's history, and maybe do a "family tree" like study on it. I've always heard it refered to as a "German 8mm Mauser". Its 49" long, I don't have a scale so not sure of its weight. It has a flip-up type rear sight with what appears to be cyrillic markings for distance. On the receiver, stamped over the chamber is an "s" over a crown, over the word "ERFURT" over the date 1890, which I believe is the guns "born on" date. To the left of that is "2144" over "t" stamped twice. To the right of the crown three backwards looking 3 and 0 stamped vertically. On the bolt carrier assemblies left side appears to be the serial number, the serial number appears to have been stamped in old english script as "Gexx.88.". On top of the bolt carriers charging handle is A33 over L3 and on the bottom of the handle is 7G. On the bottom of the safety switch is what appears to be a quarter moon and a teepee or upside down "v" and the number 3 backwards. On the most forward part of the trigger assembly, where it screws into the stocks wood is the number "6249". Can anyone tell me anything about this rifle?
 

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My condolences on the passing of your Father.

The illustrated rifle is an 1888 German Commission military rifle, GEW88, not of Mauser design, used until the real 1898 Mausers came out and kept in reserve even then.
Yours was made at the German arsenal at Eurfurt in 1890.
Caliber is 7.9x57J, the original 8mm with .318" bullet.
The "S" marking means that the chamber was rethroated to accept 1905 and later 7.92x57JS with .323" bullet, but bear in mind that they did nothing to the actual bore and that the JS runs to higher pressure than the J anyhow.
That was something an army could do because they could accept the occasional wrecked gun better than they could a company without guns. Most went to reserves or to service troops who didn't do much shooting anyhow.

If in good mechanical condition, it MIGHT be safe to shoot with US made 8mm ammunition which is lightly loaded and has a soft bullet that SHOULD swage down in the long throat. Maybe, but I am not telling you to. I do not know a source of 8mm J ammunition.

All those other markings are proof marks, inspectors' stamps, and issue codes known only to real experts, if then. The crescent moon is a Turkish marking, the Turks bought a lot of German weaponry and were strategically in bed with them in that era, but I would expect it to be in a more prominent location than the bottom of the safety. History at
http://www.texastradingpost.com/m88/index.html
 
The GEW 88, also called the commission Rifle, uses a en bloc clip. One of the faults of the 88 is that becasue of the clip it can not be used as a single shot nor can it be topped off. Also with out the clip it can not be loaded with loose rounds as for examble the KAR 98. So if you have a clip or several clips, be very careful with them. I know of no source for them.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone.

Jim, I think you've given me the best info yet. I'm not going to be firing the weapon. Any clips that we had have long since been lost, probally in the fire we thought claimed the rifle and I do not have any desire to fire the rifle in fear of damaging it. As I stated, it's the gun I was introduced to shooting with. It has been fired within my memory, lots of bullets went around the targets my dad had set up for me:) as a kid. When I first became acquainted with the rifle it was taller than me by a foot. The last time I had seen it was when I was 11 years old, 24 years or so ago when I had taken it deer hunting with my father and his father. The rifle holds many many memories of time spent with my father and I am deeply curious as to its origins. Thanks for all your help everyone.
 
They are neat rifles, but bear in mind that they are not safe to shoot with modern 8x57 (7.92x57) Mauser ammo, due to bore differences...

Some are. If the top of the receiver is stamped with an "S", it has the standard .323" bore and can fire JS rounds. If not, it is .318" bore and you can only use the expensive and incredibly hard to find J ammunition.
 
Old family rifle

Kikr--Firstly, my condolences too on yr Dad's death. Then, congrats on regaining a family heirloom. If you never shoot it again, but just keep it and pass it on--with all the stories of course--that's fine. Its actual value is immaterial; to yr family it's a tradition.

If you ever do have a desire to shoot it, you could reload for it with .318" diam. bullets, a heck of a lot cheaper than buying the ammo. Before doing that, I'd have a gunsmith check the bbl. diameter, and also the chamber dimensions to be certain as to what ammo the rifle wants, in addition to checking its overall fitness to be fired.

There is a way to make a cast of the chamber, using a material called "Cerrosafe" that gets you the exact chamber dimensions. Gunsmith can do this easily.
 
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Easy it's a GEW 88 prussian military
(old germans)
.318 bore diameter
first german rifle to use smokeless powder
7.9x57
 
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