kameron1858
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just wanted to know if anyone got a chance to try it out. I think they should have made it for the pocket pistols instead now that would be fun
anyone tried the kirst 22
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BHP FAN
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Hoof Hearted knows about converting the pocket pistols [I want one, too] hopefully he'll see this and chime in, soon!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=571050
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=571050
Hoof Hearted
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I should have my test sample Monday in the mail. I as doing a test evaluation/write up for Walt and Jay with pics. Possible rain on tuesday & wednesday but I'll get it done ASAP! I'll post it here.
I can tell you it will be a great plinker......super simple to install and remove.
Mine is going into a virtually new old stock Santa Barbara NMA that I have been saving for a special project.
I also have pics of the tool room Remington drop in that Walt based this on if you want to see them......
HH
I can tell you it will be a great plinker......super simple to install and remove.
Mine is going into a virtually new old stock Santa Barbara NMA that I have been saving for a special project.
I also have pics of the tool room Remington drop in that Walt based this on if you want to see them......
HH
BHP FAN
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If we want to see them!? LOL!
Hoof Hearted
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This is the unit that Kirst Konvertors/Raven's Roost based their new 22 Drop In conversion on:
I took these pictures a month or so ago with my cell phone (sorry about the quality) )*'
I have been told that there were three of these "Tool Room" prototypes made by Remington.
The original had a full length barrel that screwed into the "block" from the muzzle end as shown and would have required individual fitting to each pistol.
It also had an ejector assembly (which was obviously NOT meant for frontier use).
HH
I took these pictures a month or so ago with my cell phone (sorry about the quality) )*'
I have been told that there were three of these "Tool Room" prototypes made by Remington.
The original had a full length barrel that screwed into the "block" from the muzzle end as shown and would have required individual fitting to each pistol.
It also had an ejector assembly (which was obviously NOT meant for frontier use).
HH
J-Bar
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I understand the joys of gadgets and tinkering, believe me I do, but isn't buying a .22 conversion for a big caliber BP revolver kinda like buying a prize bull and then castrating him!!??
Hoof Hearted
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If you only wanted one bull..................
What if you had more bulls than you needed?
(this is why we cut them and eat them)
I own 20 or so NMA Remingtons
What if you had more bulls than you needed?
(this is why we cut them and eat them)
I own 20 or so NMA Remingtons
BHP FAN
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Also, if you had one with a barrel that was not in very good shape. I've got a buddy who was given one that was used on a fishing boat, then tossed in the bilge, and forgotten for about a year... with lots of liquid wrench he got it working, and all the rust removed, but there's more pits than rifling in the barrel, it might be the perfect candidate for this conversion.
kameron1858
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yeah but for the price this thing should be gated
Hoof Hearted
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Kam
You should realize that there is MUCH more involved with the 22 Konvertor than the 45/38 one. More machining, more parts, more work equals more dollars. Then of course a "gate" also would denote the need for an ejector.
There is no reason why a port can't be cut through the ring and the pistol. A small rod would make a resonable ejector. If your pistol is already ported then half that work is done!
You should realize that there is MUCH more involved with the 22 Konvertor than the 45/38 one. More machining, more parts, more work equals more dollars. Then of course a "gate" also would denote the need for an ejector.
There is no reason why a port can't be cut through the ring and the pistol. A small rod would make a resonable ejector. If your pistol is already ported then half that work is done!
kameron1858
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my spring loaded ejector from kirst would work fine with the 22 setup as the rod on the ejector is 4.55mm an a 22 shell is 5.69mm so no need for a new ejector. I would think the fixture they use to gate the rings for the 45 conversion would work for the ring on the 22 conversion as they are identical rings and if were talking money you can buy a new 22 auto loader for $290 so why not throw us a bone and gate the darn thing
Hoof Hearted
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Kameronmy spring loaded ejector from kirst would work fine with the 22 setup as the rod on the ejector is 4.55mm an a 22 shell is 5.69mm so no need for a new ejector. I would think the fixture they use to gate the rings for the 45 conversion would work for the ring on the 22 conversion as they are identical rings and if were talking money you can buy a new 22 auto loader for $290 so why not throw us a bone and gate the darn thing
Take a look at where the rod enters the chamber. Is it directly in the center? If not it probably will not work for 22.......
The rings are not identical, brotha.......
There is a plan to make a gated ring at a later date but with all the other plans it could be quite some time.
You can pick up all manners of used 22 bolt actions and auto loading cheap rifles for down around $50.00 if cheap is what you are all about.
I could type all day trying to explain costs/economics with you but Walt and Jay aren't getting rich here...........
kameron1858
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toshay good sir
Hoof Hearted
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Kam
Not trying to one up ya.........
Sometimes these "I can buy" things get under my skin.
I pay the mechanic $80.00 an hour and folks want me to work on their firearms for TEN!
Yer pal, HH
Not trying to one up ya.........
Sometimes these "I can buy" things get under my skin.
I pay the mechanic $80.00 an hour and folks want me to work on their firearms for TEN!
Yer pal, HH
SMPARKINSON
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I used the Kirst .22 unit in an Uberti 5.5" and gated it!
I'm a happy Kirst owner.
I did have an R&D cylinder which was fine, but I'm a Kirst guy all the way when it comes to conversion parts, as I wouldn't be happy with a conversion that wasn't gated.
I got a Kirst gated unit in .45 ACP for my Uberti with a 5.5" barrel. Cut the frame to accommodate the gate and added a Richard Mason ejector. Than I made the new look old with mustard, ketchup, vinegar, and salt. I stripped the handles and re stained them with ebony stain after I beat the wood like a disobedient woman, and than gave it some boiled linseed oil rubbing. Only kidding about the disobedient woman. Mine beats me on a regular basis, but I treat her real nice as long as she'll have me. Anyway, now it looks like something with history. Unless it's engraved with pearl grips, I prefer my Cowboy guns to look like Cowboys carried 'em. And maybe used 'em to hammer nails when he wasn't using it to hammer guys who needed a little hammerin'.
I know the .45 ACP isn't a real traditional chambering, but I chose that on Jay Strite's recommendation. Aside from being less expensive and easier to find than traditional Cowboy calibers, Jay told me that the .45 ACP is the most accurate caliber for his conversions with the Remington. Aside from being a heck of a nice guy he is also very knowledgeable, and probably knows what he's talking about when he makes a recommendation.
Anyway, once I had the initial conversion done, I just had to have the .22 unit to have the ultimate Cowboy plinker. I got the unit, antiques it and installed it. I just couldn't abide having to remove the cylinder to reload a piece I had done so much work to, so I cut the ring. It works out so that the cartridge rims are partially covered by the ring when it is uncocked, so no possibility of a shell falling out even if I'm hanging upside down! The ejector was almost there, but not quite. I just had to grind a little off the inside length to get it to work fine. Still plenty of thickness left on the rod, so it's not gonna' bend. If the ejector was positioned just a hair more away from the cylinder, it would have worked without the thinning of the rod. Someone with the ability could remove the rod housing from the cylinder pin, add a little extra material, and silver solder or weld it up and you would be good to go. Mine still works fine with ejecting the center fire cases, so I guess it would also work fine if you added some material like I described above. Overall, I love it. It's the ultimate Old West plinker, and I wouldn't trade it for a Ruger Single Six for anything. And that Uberti action is smooth as silk. If I can figure it out, I'll try to post some picks. Oh yeah. I got a Tripple K model 900 holster and gun belt from Cowboy and Shooter's Supply to carry it in, and it's a good fit for this gun as I have it set up. Bill from Cowboy and Shooter's Supply was very helpful and patient in working with me to make sure I got a holster that would work for me, and I'd say you couldn't go wrong dealing with them. And no. I don't have anything to do with that company, other than being a very satisfied customer. Happy trails, and keep yer powder dry!
Steve
I'm a happy Kirst owner.
I did have an R&D cylinder which was fine, but I'm a Kirst guy all the way when it comes to conversion parts, as I wouldn't be happy with a conversion that wasn't gated.
I got a Kirst gated unit in .45 ACP for my Uberti with a 5.5" barrel. Cut the frame to accommodate the gate and added a Richard Mason ejector. Than I made the new look old with mustard, ketchup, vinegar, and salt. I stripped the handles and re stained them with ebony stain after I beat the wood like a disobedient woman, and than gave it some boiled linseed oil rubbing. Only kidding about the disobedient woman. Mine beats me on a regular basis, but I treat her real nice as long as she'll have me. Anyway, now it looks like something with history. Unless it's engraved with pearl grips, I prefer my Cowboy guns to look like Cowboys carried 'em. And maybe used 'em to hammer nails when he wasn't using it to hammer guys who needed a little hammerin'.
I know the .45 ACP isn't a real traditional chambering, but I chose that on Jay Strite's recommendation. Aside from being less expensive and easier to find than traditional Cowboy calibers, Jay told me that the .45 ACP is the most accurate caliber for his conversions with the Remington. Aside from being a heck of a nice guy he is also very knowledgeable, and probably knows what he's talking about when he makes a recommendation.
Anyway, once I had the initial conversion done, I just had to have the .22 unit to have the ultimate Cowboy plinker. I got the unit, antiques it and installed it. I just couldn't abide having to remove the cylinder to reload a piece I had done so much work to, so I cut the ring. It works out so that the cartridge rims are partially covered by the ring when it is uncocked, so no possibility of a shell falling out even if I'm hanging upside down! The ejector was almost there, but not quite. I just had to grind a little off the inside length to get it to work fine. Still plenty of thickness left on the rod, so it's not gonna' bend. If the ejector was positioned just a hair more away from the cylinder, it would have worked without the thinning of the rod. Someone with the ability could remove the rod housing from the cylinder pin, add a little extra material, and silver solder or weld it up and you would be good to go. Mine still works fine with ejecting the center fire cases, so I guess it would also work fine if you added some material like I described above. Overall, I love it. It's the ultimate Old West plinker, and I wouldn't trade it for a Ruger Single Six for anything. And that Uberti action is smooth as silk. If I can figure it out, I'll try to post some picks. Oh yeah. I got a Tripple K model 900 holster and gun belt from Cowboy and Shooter's Supply to carry it in, and it's a good fit for this gun as I have it set up. Bill from Cowboy and Shooter's Supply was very helpful and patient in working with me to make sure I got a holster that would work for me, and I'd say you couldn't go wrong dealing with them. And no. I don't have anything to do with that company, other than being a very satisfied customer. Happy trails, and keep yer powder dry!
Steve
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Busyhands94
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god i want a Kirst .22 Konverter really bad! that would be sweet!
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You deserve to buy yourself the kirst .22 conversion
By the way, in my conversation with Jay Strite he told me that although it will be a while their next .22 unit will be for the 1851 Navy revolver. Since that model was the first cap & ball revolver to be reproduced by the Italians, there are a LOT of them out there. Also, with the .22 conversion units, you can use brass framed revolvers! But Jay told me that they have several other projects to get up and running before they do the 1851 .22 conversion unit. He told me that they were going to be opening up the side of the ring for the .22 unit, although I don't know if that will just be an option or they are going to start making them all like that. They will do that for you now on a custom basis, but they charge about $100. and it takes a few weeks. When I told him I was thinking about doing it myself, I asked him if there were any problems I should watch out for. He said that it was just as straight forward as it seemed, and told me to "go for it" if I was so inclined. I went for it, and it was no problem. Evidently the ring is hardened though, because it took me a lot longer to cut the ring than it took me to cut the port on my revolver's frame to accommodate the gate. Just take it slow and easy, and make sure you position your cut so that the rim of the .22 case is still supported by the recoil shield/ring when the revolver is in the uncocked position.
The other thing they will be doing is to make the barrel full length for accuracy. That will entail making it in 2 pieces, as the barrel would have to be inserted from the muzzle end and screwed into the "block" which acts as a filler between the rear end of the barrel and the front of the cylinder. This is because you wouldn't be able to insert the barrel liner from the rear through the cylinder opening if it was longer than it is now. That would make this part of the assembly more complicated to manufacturer since the liner would have to be threaded at the rear, and also threaded at the front with some sort of threaded nut to adjust length and lock it into place. I believe Jay also told me that they are offering that assembly now on a custom basis, also for about $100., which doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Although the short barrel give surprisingly good accuracy, I can't help but think that the long barrel would be much more accurate. And last, I believe he also said they would be offering an ejector for the .22 unit, although I don't believe he said they were available now, even on a custom basis. I also don't think he gave me any pricing info on an ejector unit. However, since I was able to modify one of their Richard Mason ejector units to work with the .22 unit, I think someone with a little shade tree gunsmithing skill could probably do at least as well as I did. And Busyhands94......if I was you, I'd find some stuff to sell and get the .22 conversion. You'll probably like it a lot better than whatever you have to sell to get the money to buy it. At least as long as you don't have to sell your dog to buy it. Anything else is expendable and replaceable. Take a look in your wifes jewelry box; you'll probably find something she wouldn't even notice was missing. And if she does happen to notice, just blame one of your teenage kids or maybe her sister. All's fair in love, war, and expanding your gun collection. Especially a nice Cowboy gun you could customize into a one of a kind you kind of made yourself! If you get one of these .22 conversion units, you'll be able to make something you'll enjoy for a lotta years. And if you shoot Super Colibri BB Caps with it, it'll make so little noise it will hardly bother anybody. With ear protection, you could actually make a little indoor range in you garage or basement, and nobody would hear you shooting!
Steve
By the way, in my conversation with Jay Strite he told me that although it will be a while their next .22 unit will be for the 1851 Navy revolver. Since that model was the first cap & ball revolver to be reproduced by the Italians, there are a LOT of them out there. Also, with the .22 conversion units, you can use brass framed revolvers! But Jay told me that they have several other projects to get up and running before they do the 1851 .22 conversion unit. He told me that they were going to be opening up the side of the ring for the .22 unit, although I don't know if that will just be an option or they are going to start making them all like that. They will do that for you now on a custom basis, but they charge about $100. and it takes a few weeks. When I told him I was thinking about doing it myself, I asked him if there were any problems I should watch out for. He said that it was just as straight forward as it seemed, and told me to "go for it" if I was so inclined. I went for it, and it was no problem. Evidently the ring is hardened though, because it took me a lot longer to cut the ring than it took me to cut the port on my revolver's frame to accommodate the gate. Just take it slow and easy, and make sure you position your cut so that the rim of the .22 case is still supported by the recoil shield/ring when the revolver is in the uncocked position.
The other thing they will be doing is to make the barrel full length for accuracy. That will entail making it in 2 pieces, as the barrel would have to be inserted from the muzzle end and screwed into the "block" which acts as a filler between the rear end of the barrel and the front of the cylinder. This is because you wouldn't be able to insert the barrel liner from the rear through the cylinder opening if it was longer than it is now. That would make this part of the assembly more complicated to manufacturer since the liner would have to be threaded at the rear, and also threaded at the front with some sort of threaded nut to adjust length and lock it into place. I believe Jay also told me that they are offering that assembly now on a custom basis, also for about $100., which doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. Although the short barrel give surprisingly good accuracy, I can't help but think that the long barrel would be much more accurate. And last, I believe he also said they would be offering an ejector for the .22 unit, although I don't believe he said they were available now, even on a custom basis. I also don't think he gave me any pricing info on an ejector unit. However, since I was able to modify one of their Richard Mason ejector units to work with the .22 unit, I think someone with a little shade tree gunsmithing skill could probably do at least as well as I did. And Busyhands94......if I was you, I'd find some stuff to sell and get the .22 conversion. You'll probably like it a lot better than whatever you have to sell to get the money to buy it. At least as long as you don't have to sell your dog to buy it. Anything else is expendable and replaceable. Take a look in your wifes jewelry box; you'll probably find something she wouldn't even notice was missing. And if she does happen to notice, just blame one of your teenage kids or maybe her sister. All's fair in love, war, and expanding your gun collection. Especially a nice Cowboy gun you could customize into a one of a kind you kind of made yourself! If you get one of these .22 conversion units, you'll be able to make something you'll enjoy for a lotta years. And if you shoot Super Colibri BB Caps with it, it'll make so little noise it will hardly bother anybody. With ear protection, you could actually make a little indoor range in you garage or basement, and nobody would hear you shooting!
Steve
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