Anyone use Claydot instead of Clays?
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Shoney
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Claydot!!!!
Alliant Powder says:
Clay Dot®
Smokeless shotshell powder
Designed for competition shooters, Clay Dot™ is functionally and technically identical to competitive shotshell powders but at a reduced price. This American-made powder meters the same through reloading press powder bushings and functions with the exact same powder charge weights to achieve equal velocities and pressures. No need to change bushings or load data.
Optimum load for light and standard 12 gauge target loads
Available in 8-pound canisters only (2 per case)
Proudly made in America
Principal Purpose: Light and standard 12 ga. target
I would not substitute any powder for another without starting at the published minimum load and working up.
Alliant Powder says:
Clay Dot®
Smokeless shotshell powder
Designed for competition shooters, Clay Dot™ is functionally and technically identical to competitive shotshell powders but at a reduced price. This American-made powder meters the same through reloading press powder bushings and functions with the exact same powder charge weights to achieve equal velocities and pressures. No need to change bushings or load data.
Optimum load for light and standard 12 gauge target loads
Available in 8-pound canisters only (2 per case)
Proudly made in America
Principal Purpose: Light and standard 12 ga. target
I would not substitute any powder for another without starting at the published minimum load and working up.
Because it's not Hodgdon.
http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/clay_dot.aspx
Principal Purpose: Light and standard 12 ga. target
Remarks:
Designed to duplicates the performance of Hodgdon® Clays™ at an economical price.
http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/clay_dot.aspx
Principal Purpose: Light and standard 12 ga. target
Remarks:
Designed to duplicates the performance of Hodgdon® Clays™ at an economical price.
Jim Watson
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Might be because Clay Dot is an Alliant product.
I have seen no pistol data for it. I would probably load it like Clays in .38 Special for use in .357 guns. That is how I burnt up some AA+ when I went back to 700X for 12 gauge.
I have seen no pistol data for it. I would probably load it like Clays in .38 Special for use in .357 guns. That is how I burnt up some AA+ when I went back to 700X for 12 gauge.
Lj1941
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Clay-Dot in Pistols
I am a newcomer to this forum. I noticed the thread concerning using Alliant's Clay -Dot powder in pistol loads. I have experimented with using Clay Dot for a small amount of pistol loads using "Clays" data as a starting point. I have loaded 9mm with Berry's bullets. I have tried 115 grain flat points and 124grain round noses. I have worked up to 3.8 grains in the 115 and 3.6 grains in the 124.They shoot nice with no signs of trouble.I have also used 4.5 grains in the 45 acp behind a 185 grain Berry's FP.This load is very accurate and seems mild I did not clock this load. The 9mm loads clock well enough to make the IDPA power factor although just barely. I need to try some more loads before I can say for sure that it is OK. I know that this could be s rough road to hoe but I was careful to start at the bottom of the "Clays" data and work up carefully. I also tried some .40 S&W loads with Berry's 155 grain round nose but stopped that because it was erratic.I haven't tried other callibers yet but based on my test it should be good for others.THIS INFO IS FOR DISCUSSION ONLY AND NOT TO BE TAKEN FOR TIED AND TRUE DATA.I would be interested in communicate with anyone who has also tried Clay-Dot for pistols.http://thehighroad.org/images/smilies/evil.gifhttp://thehighroad.org/images/smilies/evil.gif
I am a newcomer to this forum. I noticed the thread concerning using Alliant's Clay -Dot powder in pistol loads. I have experimented with using Clay Dot for a small amount of pistol loads using "Clays" data as a starting point. I have loaded 9mm with Berry's bullets. I have tried 115 grain flat points and 124grain round noses. I have worked up to 3.8 grains in the 115 and 3.6 grains in the 124.They shoot nice with no signs of trouble.I have also used 4.5 grains in the 45 acp behind a 185 grain Berry's FP.This load is very accurate and seems mild I did not clock this load. The 9mm loads clock well enough to make the IDPA power factor although just barely. I need to try some more loads before I can say for sure that it is OK. I know that this could be s rough road to hoe but I was careful to start at the bottom of the "Clays" data and work up carefully. I also tried some .40 S&W loads with Berry's 155 grain round nose but stopped that because it was erratic.I haven't tried other callibers yet but based on my test it should be good for others.THIS INFO IS FOR DISCUSSION ONLY AND NOT TO BE TAKEN FOR TIED AND TRUE DATA.I would be interested in communicate with anyone who has also tried Clay-Dot for pistols.http://thehighroad.org/images/smilies/evil.gifhttp://thehighroad.org/images/smilies/evil.gif
bluetopper
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No first hand experience..........but I have read in published data and from users that they are identical. It was intentionally manufactured to be identical.
I would not be afraid at all to load pistol cartridges accordingly.
I would not be afraid at all to load pistol cartridges accordingly.
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Lj1941
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Update on Clay-Dot in handguns
I have used Clay-Dot in the following cartridges. 45 ACP 185 Grain Berry Flat point. 4.5 grains with Federal Cases and Winchester LPP Also same load with a185 grain hard cast lead SWC very mild and accurate. 158 Grain Hornardy LSWC in 38Special with 3.2 Grains also very mild and accurate Cases are Blazer with Winchester SPP. Also 44 Magnum with 240 Hornardy LSWC with 5.5 Grains of Clay Dot.Cases for the 44 are PMC and primers are Winchester LP. No speed on these loads since the Chrony has been out of service. These loads all seem mild in my guns. Your mileage may vary. This is in addition to my previous post on the 9mm. I have shot several hundred rounds in everything but the 44. The 45 acp is a Government model 1911A1 bought from the DCM in the Early 60's. The 9 is an M&P , The 44 is a Super Blackhawk with 7 1/2 inch barrel and the 38's were shot in a Model 19 with a 4 iinch barrel . This is not fully tested data but it has worked for me. I find that the Clay Dot is less bulky than Clays and it is milder in the same weight than Clays. I wish I had clocked these loads but that is in the future. I have about 7 pounds left so I have a lot of shooting to do and I do not load shotguns!!!
Lou
I have used Clay-Dot in the following cartridges. 45 ACP 185 Grain Berry Flat point. 4.5 grains with Federal Cases and Winchester LPP Also same load with a185 grain hard cast lead SWC very mild and accurate. 158 Grain Hornardy LSWC in 38Special with 3.2 Grains also very mild and accurate Cases are Blazer with Winchester SPP. Also 44 Magnum with 240 Hornardy LSWC with 5.5 Grains of Clay Dot.Cases for the 44 are PMC and primers are Winchester LP. No speed on these loads since the Chrony has been out of service. These loads all seem mild in my guns. Your mileage may vary. This is in addition to my previous post on the 9mm. I have shot several hundred rounds in everything but the 44. The 45 acp is a Government model 1911A1 bought from the DCM in the Early 60's. The 9 is an M&P , The 44 is a Super Blackhawk with 7 1/2 inch barrel and the 38's were shot in a Model 19 with a 4 iinch barrel . This is not fully tested data but it has worked for me. I find that the Clay Dot is less bulky than Clays and it is milder in the same weight than Clays. I wish I had clocked these loads but that is in the future. I have about 7 pounds left so I have a lot of shooting to do and I do not load shotguns!!!
Lou
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Lj1941
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Clarence, You will do fine using "Clays" data from Hodgdon as a starting point.IMHO what is listed as maximum does not seem hot. I guess the safe way is to consider "Clays" data as maximum. After all to me accuracy is more important than squeezing a little more velocity. Economy is also a factor and the price at my supplier was around $98 for 8 Lbs.Also the SD in the the 9mm loads that I clocked was less than 8. Consistency is another factor that can't fail to help it to be more accurate.It is a Win-Win situation for me.
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