Anyone watch American Shooter - CCW class?

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Last night they showed The Best of American Shooter rerun, always worth watching. Until last night.
Supposedly in Tennesee, they showed a huge class for CCW, and the safety violations I witnessed just on the show made me cringe! I was a range Saftey Officer for an indoor range for a year and a half, an outdoor range for six months, and Rangemaster for a large armored trucking firm for 2.5 years.
First, the "instructor" has them outside in a line, weapons holstered, practicing the outdate Speed Rock - with him in FRONT!
Next, he shows a young lady how to get a correct sight picture, BY HAVING HER POINT HER BERRETTA TOMCAT AT HIS HAT, STILL ON HIS HEAD! HER FINGER IS CLEARLY ON THE TRIGGER, AND THE SLIDE IS FORWARD!
Two ladies in the class are encouraged to show off with new feminine holsters, such as purses and fanny packs, and after the obviously extensive and exhaustive safety briefings in this "class" wave slide forward and closed cylinder handguns in all directions, including the camerman, and at each other. Maybe I am a safety nut, but I was narrowly missed by a ND with a 357 mag years ago, and DON'T LIKE IDIOTS WAVING GUNS AROUND, OR TEACHING OTHERS TO DO SO!
And, besides, who teaches "speed rock", anyway? He had them shooting what looked like 7 yards with that! Gah!
Did anyone else see this?
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I saw that. And yes there were problems with that.

As for the sight picture part where the woman was aiming at him....she was not pointing it at his hat. He was looking down the sights backwards to make sure she was doing it right.

I've done this with a gun I've cleared myself nad handed to someone. You don't know the "behind the scenes" parts they don't show. Hopefully, the woman showed the gun clear, he checked it, and had someone else confirm it before trying this. ANd yes, her finger should have been off the trigger.

Smoke
 
I saw it and cringed, too.

The instructor swept the whole class with a muzzle.

He had one student by the neck and put a muzzle into her ribs, and then asked what she was going to do. While she stammered, he PULLED THE TRIGGER----the CLICK was audible--and the student giggled and so "Oh God, I'm dead......"

One instructor ran at a student on a firing line yelling "Draw! Draw! Draw! Draw!" to get the student to draw a handgun and point it at him.

Good God in Heaven!!!!!!!

Now please understand, I am an Arkansas native, and put that in context with what I am about to say.

But what the friggin #$*@ kind of banjo-picking, knuckle-dragging, redneck cowboy bull#@! was that???????????????

hillbilly
 
Yeah, I saw that one. Made me flinch when he pulled the trigger while holding the gun pointed at her ribs!

Stupid question time: what does "speed rock" mean?
 
Speed rock is a 60's FBI technique in which the shooter rocks slightly backward while drawing strong side, and shoots quickly point style, held close to the body. The other arm is thrown across the upper torso as an attempt to use the bone and muscle in the arm as ersatz body armor.
This is a point blank range thing, not for longer than a few feet. I don't like point shooting anyway, and thanks - I'd actually forgotten about the running, "Draw, draw" idiot.
I have had lots of training, some good, some questionable, some weird, but this tops the list of bad.:mad:
 
LT, what I said is certainly nicer than going to his range and slappin' his teefs out. Which is probably what I oughta do anyway; I mean, it's on the way and all...

:cool:
 
I saw this ep too, and thought that the instuctor's name sounded familiar. There are apparently some THR'ers who aren't fond of this guy as well: Nashville area permit classes?

Its too bad Jim Scoutten didn't travel down I-40 to Memphis and do this segment at Rangemaster with Tom Givens. Sound instruction, no funny stuff, and safety stressed to the Nth degree.
 
I saw this also, it was scary. I think it shows a general lack of saftey issues in many shooters. I want my wife to take a shooting class and was hoping she does not get one like this.

I was at a "Mega" outdoor store the other day doing a check on a used 629. This involves looking down the barrel after many checks to see if weapon is loaded. Nobody even looked twice at me looking down the barrel of a gun. While I was looking over the gun a sales clerk walked through what would be the line of fire. I apologized, it was my fault I, as i was holding the gun and should have been aware of him and his changing location. He says "Oh no big deal we know they are unloaded". Which reminds me why is it at many gun stores all of the weapons are pointing toward the customer, maybe they could orient them to point down at sharp angle or hang them vertically. MAy I am just over reacting.

Maybe it is okay to swing your gun around after numerous load checks with those in the room witnessing your check. But at least have some control and not use the thing as a hand held pointer or a conversation aid.
 
There was a Nashville area instructor who once posted on glocktalk.com, that you should be prepared to shoot through doors to get the bad guy on the other side. Whether you could identify your target or be certain of what was on the other side of the door was of no real concern.

I wonder if it might be the same psycho?
 
The worrying thing with a lot of this .... the ''instruction'' class ..... gun handling in gun shops . etc.....

Is that really, as I think most of us here feel ..... there is NO half-measure with gun safety. There cannot be. There are those who think that it is paranoia to keep regarding a gun as loaded when it has been shown clear .... but, others do not know this necessarily ..... and certainly in a gun shop ... there is even (remote I admit) a chance ''someone'' just might have and load a round ...... ''just to see if it chambers''!!

Who knows? So, only way is TOTAL regard of rules. The saving grace for some of us over the years could well have (in my case HAS) been, the observation of enough of the rules at one time to permit a loss of attention to another .... such that no one gets hurt.

Bottom line tho with this TV thing ..... it is damn BAD PR for us gun owners too.:(
 
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