Anyplace you won't carry?

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Discriminating between enfranchised citizens based solely on age really ticks me off...

So right now... everywhere ;).
 
Swimming pool.
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Yeah, ankle holsters really don't go with swimming trunks :eek:

I carry anywhere I'm not likely to be wanded or searched. And I think twice about going to those places.

After all, every public shooting I can think of was in a prohibited area.
 
Since my wife and I bought our first guns less than a year ago, and I got my CCW just a few months ago, I've been working on carrying everywhere that I think I can without causing problems. I may have run into a snag:

I went for my yearly work physical yesterday, and figgered I'd try carrying. (Inspired by Pax's site, BTW)

The general procedure is for the tech to do the grunt work, such as the eye chart, hearing test, etc., then to take me into the exam room, give me one of those oh-so-flattering paper gowns, and leave me to change and wait for the doc.

The plan was to remove the holster (Galco Matrix) and gun (Glock 26), and wrap them in my shirt and shorts, then keep them next to me on the bench/exam table.

Two problems with that plan:
1) The tech just told me to take off my shirt. No paper gown provided. I had been counting on human nature being more disinclined to handle a bundle of clothes containing pants and shirt. A shirt by itself is more likely to be casually moved by others.
2) the exam table has been replaced in the last year with a kinda powered "throne" that you sit on. This seat can be reclined/flattened into a table. No place to rest my shirt-wrapped gun and holster.

So, I looked for a suitable surface to put my shirt/rig on. Some place I could keep an eye on in case the doc started to move it for some reason. Pickings were slim. I finally settled on laying just my shirt on the counter, and putting my holster/gun in an empty drawer, labeled "Autoclave".

Once the doc came in, things went rather well... except the "empty" Autoclave drawer was behind me as I sat on the PowerThrone, and the doc seemed to tend to stand behind me a lot (or is that "alot"? :neener: ). So I spent quite a bit of time twisting around on the PowerThrone to keep an eye on "my" drawer. Just as I was getting my act down, the doc moved around in front of me, and a tech came in and was rustling around in the drawers behind me!!! She must've known that the Autoclave drawer was empty (supposedly), because she opened every other drawer in there! Wasn't easy listening to the doc, following his instructions (cough, cough) and also trying to keep an eye on the drawer.

Finally, he was finished. Without thinking, I put on my shirt as he was finishing up, so when he left the room and told me to follow him, I had no good reason to lag behind and grab my gear. So I just asked him to "give me a moment" and that I would catch up with him. He gave me a bit of a wierd look, like he thought I was staying behind to load my pockets with medical equipment, but went on without me. I grabbed my gun, stuck it in the cargo pockets of my shorts, and found my own way out with the now-heavy pocket clanging against my knee.

Didn't even try sitting in the hard plastic waiting room chairs.

I just stood until my paperwork was ready, and got myself into the car. Put my holster and gun back on my belt where they belong, and got myself out of there.

I'll have to refine my plan before my next physical.
 
Swimming pool.
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Not only do I carry at swimming pools, but I actually carry a gun while swimming at the beach, too.

My preference to be armed is the second reason I don't wear a banana hammock.

I have a SmartCarry holster, and my "water gun" is a Glock 19. I've never had a problem with rust, even after wearing it in and out of the water for a day. In the evenings, of course, it gets field stripped, hosed out and then dunked in a bucket of a Ballistol emulsion.

I do have to admit, though, that I've wondered--if I ever had to scare off a shark, what it would be like to fire the thing under water.
 
familys. if im going for any length of time ( more than 5 min). just seems wierd. only certain people. not because i dont think theyd disaprove. just feels like id be showing them distrust if i carried. but hey my familys wierd
 
my house-not that i wont, i just normally dont

MRIman- i have a very good idea of what happend, but id like to hear (read) the story. mostly for the "observers" reaction
 
Guncrazy45
I do have to admit, though, that I've wondered--if I ever had to scare off a shark, what it would be like to fire the thing under water.
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Can I shoot my Glock underwater?

Just about any handgun will fire underwater -- at least once. :) However, firing underwater is NOT recommended because it can have devastating effects on the pistol and the shooter -- a potentially dangerous activity that should only be utilized by trained personnel wearing proper equipment for protection against potential pressure wave effects of underwater detonation. The shock/pressure waves in water can really damage internal organs (ever heard of lithotripsy?). Shooting a pistol underwater can lead to property damage, serious bodily injury or even death.

NOTE: Glock, Inc., specifically disclaims any and all liability from anyone performing or attempting to perform underwater firing with a Glock pistol -- you do so at your own risk.

The Glock 17 may be equipped with an optional set of maritime spring cups for use in water environments. Maritime spring cups are not intended for submerged firing, but for surface use by special ops teams who operate in and around water. The maritime spring cups are two small parts within the firing pin assembly and are not included on any Model 17 sold by Glock (civilians can only get them through 3rd parties). They insure that water can pass by the firing pin within the firing pin channel, thus preventing the creation of hydraulic force within the firing pin channel -- which would slow the firing pin down, causing light primer strikes. With the special cups, the action will cycle reliably while submersed, if a little bit slower. NATO specification ammunition (such as Winchester's Ranger RA9124N) with waterproof sealed primers and case mouths is recommended.

Although you may install the maritime spring cups on any Glock model, *only* the Glock 17 was designed and intended to use the modified spring cups for aquatic firing -- and only then using 9mm ball ammunition to remain within acceptable pressure limits. The foolhardy who insist on living dangerously must keep several things in mind: The Glock 17 must be fully submersed underwater. There must not be any air left within the pistol as the muzzle is pointed towards the surface of the water after submersion to allow the air in the barrel to escape. Use only full metal jacket, ball-type ammunition because the water within the barrel can spread a hollow point out within the barrel upon firing. This increases the bearing surface of the bullet to the barrel and could catastrophically increase pressures. Even if the barrel doesn't burst, the expanded bullet would get even bigger upon exiting into the water and would slow down very quickly while tumbling. Accuracy would be terrible.

The marinized Glock 17 is primarily for use by various Special Warfare units operating in aquatic environments. At least one specialized Scuba diving group regularly uses G17's to dispatch sharks where they dive. The Glock 17 using NATO specification ball ammunition will completely penetrate a minimum of one 1/2" pine board at a distance of ten feet from the muzzle when fired underwater.

Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
1) use only a Glock Model 17 with amphibious spring cups (reliability issue);
2) use only 9mm FMJ subsonic, sealed primer ammo;
3) completely immerse the pistol and get *all* the air out of the barrel;
4) wear protective ear plugs, gloves, wet suit, face mask, etc.;
5) do not fire near solid objects or in enclosed spaces to prevent return
concussion.

However, any Glock -- even those not equipped with maritime spring cups -- will normally fire while submersed underwater. But doing so may generate excessive internal pressure and may cause the pistol to literally blow up. This is especially true with the use of high-pressure rounds (such as the .40 S&W/357 SIG) or hollow-point bullets.

I recall a reported incident where a Glockster on a boating holiday decided to show some friends how his Glock would fire underwater (because Tommy Lee Jones said so in the movies). He stuck his hand overboard, pulled the trigger and came back with a bunch of shredded plastic and a badly injured hand.

Another reported case was the Glockster who decided to try out his Glock 23 .40 S&W in the swimming pool after seeing pictures of Glocks being fired underwater on the web. He was totally submerged, with the gun, as he fired at a piece of wood on the bottom of his pool. The Glock did fire, the .40 S&W FMJ round left the barrel and went into the wood. The chamber also exploded and implanted shrapnel into his leg. Thinking that the water would muffle the blast, he did not wear hearing protection (the blast is actually about 4 times louder underwater). He is now mostly deaf in one ear and hears high-pitched tones most of his waking life.

As you can see, firing a pistol underwater is a *very* dangerous endeavor.
Several things could happen:
1) the firing pin may be slowed enough to not detonate the primer
(without the maritime spring cups)
2) the pistol could blow up in your hand;
3) the concussion could damage ears, eyes or internal organs;
4) the bullet may not go where you intend it to.

Even if you have the right equipment, know what you're doing and follow the rules -- the risks for underwater firing are minimized -- but not eliminated. Your pistol's barrel could be affected by water obstruction and your body by damaging concussion. By using hollow point bullets (water may cause the bullet to expand in the barrel), high pressure ammo, etc. -- you're asking for an underwater kaBoom! It you fire near solid or hard objects, the bouncing concussion can cause extensive, perhaps even fatal external/internal tissue injury. Why risk it?
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Just curious, to the CCW people out there, is there anywhere that it's technically legal for you to carry but for whatever reason you won't? If so, where and why?
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No.

It is not possible to know where, when, or if an attack will occur. A pistol is carried to deal with those unknowns.

If it were possible to know, I would avoid that place at that time. If avoidance were not possible, I would carry a rifle or shotgun.

In my opinion it is wrong to designate areas where individuals are not allowed to carry. I wouldn't do that to anyone else, and I wish they would stop doing it to me.

After all, I only want two things from politicians:

1. Get off my back
2. Get your hands out of my pockets

:D
 
As of right now I wont carry at school, there is some vagueness in the law it looks its legal but university policy says no guns on campus. The pro gun groups in the state argue it is legal anyway but at the moment I am so close to graduation I dont want to be the test case.

That being said I might change my mind when I aquire a super concealer like a P3AT.
 
Work, its the darndest thing. I'm in the military but legally I can't carry at work. Then again while at work I'm armed with a m-4 and a m-9 all day long, but I'd rather carry my own.
 
Not really. Places prohibited by law(which round Oregon, are only the places prohibited by federal, and some county courthouses, the rest are left up to the judge presiding over the courtroom if he wants them there). Swimming obviously, but not always, if I have a gun that can handle it and I am at the river as opposed to a pool, then you betcha, I've done it before, with an all stainless firearm, and i would do it again. I usually don't but I will carry at work. At least current job. I don't carry it on me, I hide it very well in my truck. Although I generally have to keep my windows down, and my truck unlocked(I'm doing pizza delivery rigth now to support the family until I start the new job that pays better, which i won't start until december), but I'm always parked right by the door in full view of my truck, and never away from it for more then a few minutes, and someone is ALWAYS watching it. I still don't usually carry it though, even though I legally can, and the job legally can't say a thing about it, but if I get pulled over while at work, although I am not required to show my CHL I always do, it could be a PITA, especially if I get nailed by some dorkus who's doing 60 rounding a corner, and I'm pulling out, and there is a hedge in the way(that is right exactly where we pull in and sometimes pull out as well), it could cause issues, if a self rightious officer(thankfully there are very few, and most are really cool about it), decides to go and give my boss the third degree because his employee was in an accident and carrying a gun. Other then that, um nope. I carry in church, as you never know if some radical whatever may come in and decide to shoot up a buncha presbyterians(we have been known to illicit bad responses from some, LOL), and I sure have no intention of seeing innocent people slaughtered. I carried when I was in college. HQ being based in Cali tried to throw me out, confiscate my credits and ban me from returning to school anywhere, and thought they could do so because it was a "private" college, and because Oregon Administrative Rules gives schools the power to ban firearms no exceptions. However under ORS 166.170 Oregon Adminsitrative Rules regarding firearms are not only nullified, they are also illegal, which scratches that argument, and ORS regarding public places and firearms includes any and all places that the public has general access to(stores, etc), and any and all public and private schools, colleges, and universities regardless of if the public has general access or not. Which explains why the state is suing some universities right now. One such university I inquired to said no exceptions, and when I pointed out the laws, was told by the security force in writing that if I were to ever step foot on the property, that I would immediately be arrested for tresspassing and illegal posession of a firearm on campus whether i was a student or not, and whether i was carrying or not. Unfortunately I lost that letter, so I can't sue them over it. Another university has expelled students and confiscated credits, as well as put them in financial distress and filed civil lawsuits against them for endangering classmates, for carrying a legally concealed and owned firearm on campus. They don't follow the law, but they are getting their just deserts(the students by the way went to court with the state backing them up, and got injunctions for their credits to be reinstated, and their application fees paid for, and a good reference for transferring to another school by court order).It's an uphill battle but at least we have the state legislaters backing us up, even if a few politicians are fighting against it. I love Oregon Pre-Emption, I have even carried in the capital building and city hall. The capital made the mistake once of posting signs no firearms no exceptions. A very nice letter was written to them about it being in contradiction to ORS, and an apoligy was issued, to the letter writer(Oregon Firearms Federation I believe), and was assured that it was a mistake and that it would be rectified immediately. Now there are signs that state that there is no illegal firearms possession, and then the ORS number regarding exceptions for LE and CHL holders is given right below it in READABLE text. So once again, aside from area's LEGALLY prohibited, nope there is no place that I won't carry. Oh yeah and other peoples houses when they respectfully request of me that I do not. Places that illegally prohibit me, I still carry, as I have the law on my side, as well as the Oregon Legislaters who write the laws and are lawyers for the state, the NRA, and Oregon Firearm Federation lawyers. Soon I will not be able to carry at work, unless I can manage to get a federal CHL which is not going to happen(federals do exist, and have for a long time but only to select individuals with a distinct need for them, and they were lifetime permits with no fees). As I am going to be driving long haul. I will have to find a self defense mechanism that is legal in all 50 states. Which leaves out pepper spray, mace, and tasers. Guess I will have to stick to the tire buddy. Which is nothing more then a beat down stick with the words tire buddy written or painted on it. Sorry for the long post. I guess I am just trying to avoid going to bed, but I need to. Goodnight.

Michael
 
Nudist camp - I usually carry a P3AT and I don't want people to see that mine is smaller than theirs.
 
I often carry where I'm not suppossed to. There is nowhere Legal that I won't carry.
About the only place I won't carry, where you're not suppossed to anyways, is into an airport. Most are marked (outside the security zone, mind you) as weapons prohibited....and being that I don't want to tangle with airport police and the post 9/11 mentality....I'll risk being unarmed when I pick people up at the airport.
 
Last month my Doctor asked me not to bring my Model 27 GLOCK into his office any more..........I told him that I wouldn't feel comfortable locking the weapon in my car while I went inside, the chances of a kid breaking into the car were to high, and I've been carrying a handgun for 39 years.......

My NEW doctor said it's OK to come inside with my weapon....

When the old doctor called last week to ask why I had changed doctors, I told him that the Cop or Sheriff he sees riding around his neighborhood is the biggest reason he has the freedom to even practice his profession in the first place and I wouldn't support a pinko that didn't respect a retired cop carrying a handgun legally........

John
 
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my house-not that i wont, i just normally dont
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My house is the only place that I have ever had guns held to my head while I was duct taped up so I would hold still while the tasered me in the face for information.

I keep the police report in my office to remind me that living in one of the "Best Small-Towns in the US" (as published in national magazines) doesn't matter to criminals.
 
Where it is illegal.
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That's the only answer I'm giving on the internets.

I usually don't carry at my parents' house. My mom wasn't anti, but wasn't very friendly to firearms when I first got my permit, but she's slowly coming around and I don't think she cares anymore.
 
One of my hobbies is roller skating, and I never carry in the roller rink. I take it off and leave it in the car. I don't like not having it, but I know it would hurt like hell if I fell on my gun. So for that 2 hours a week, I'm not armed.
 
Pretty much everywhere- I'm one year shy of being able to get a CCDW permit, and I'm definitely not comfortable open carrying my .38 or my 9mm.
 
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