Appleseed questions

[foob]

1. Is kneeling an alternative to sitting as a shooting position? I'm just curious because kneeling would seem to be faster to get into than sitting, and more manoeuvrable after.

2. Everything I have heard about it (the techical aspects) sounds to be derived from that two part rifle marksmanship video that can be found online, which looks to be a WWII training video for US soldiers. Are there other concepts taught, maybe something discovered since? Some evolution perhaps?

Just curious. No Appleseed close by to attend.

 

[kansas45]

If you have some kind of medical condition that will not allow you to set, the instructor will alloy you to use a modified position. If you are able to set, stand & shoot from prone then that's what you should do.
Appleseed is a great program & will teach a shooter, new or experienced a lot about basic riflemanship. Check out the forum appleseedinfo.org

 

[paintballdude902]

kneeling wont be as stable as sitting

alot of the shooting techniques were taught back around WWII but they are still very practical today, another large part of appleseed isnt just the shooting part its the mental aspect of being a rifleman and the history behind it

 

[cuervo]

I'm not sure about individual Appleseeds, but highpower matches now start in position and then load/fire at the start of the clock rather than load first and then get into position/fire at the start of the clock.

Therefore, getting into position quickly is no longer an issue.

 

[PHenry]

Sitting / Kneeling

cuervo,
Appleseeds has eliminated any loaded transitions, but we still do the trans from standing to sitting and standing to prone - we just have all shooters leave mags on the mat.

In the early days, wwe got mostly "hairy-legged men", but now we get soccer moms and kids, etc. - many of whom have never touched a rifle in their lives.

This is a good thing, but thems of a higher "pay grade" within the program decided to raise our level of safety even higher than it already was by removing the loaded trans and the chance of sweeping with a loaded rifle.

We adjusted the times on stage 2 and 3 to accom this and it works well.

I miss the loaded trans, but I do understand why it was done.

paintballdude902,
The system Appleseeds uses (AQT) was instituted shortly post WW1 and eliminated about mid-Vietnam, when the Army in its finite wisdom determined that marksmanship was made obsolete by new hardware.

The Army is now learning that in Afghanistan, it is the software that matters most.

I was afforded the op to work with Nat Gd troops at Ft. Stewart, GA late last year for 5 days and I can attest to the fact that they needed what we brung. We managed to raise their initial qual scores by more than double and that made the brass happy.

We were told by their CO that more of them would be coming home as a result of what we did - and that made us happy. All of us traveled there on our own dime and time and if asked to repeat the task - I would not hesitate.

Despite what you may hear in the news - those men are the best of us - God bless every one of them.

PH

 

[Usagi]

Everything I have heard about it (the techical aspects) sounds to be derived from that two part rifle marksmanship video that can be found online, which looks to be a WWII training video for US soldiers. Are there other concepts taught, maybe something discovered since? Some evolution perhaps?

I took detailed notes at the Appleseed I attended last fall. Here is my blog post, containing my AAR:
Usagi's blog

Here is the summary of what we learned:
DAY 1:
1. Start with safety. Drill this into people's head. Discuss range rules and line rules. Get everybody prepared.
2. After rifles are brought out, the line is led in a quick drill (13 rounds) on a modified AQT. No instructions are given as to position or anything like that before. This is done so you have a "before and after" type reference of how bad (or good) you were shooting before learning anything they teach.
3. They teach the basic positions. Then more drills.
4. They then teach the six steps to firing the shot. Then more drills.
5. They then teach sling positions. Then more drills.
6. A little bit of instruction and drills on how to calculate MOA, and basic sight adjustments to be done by student.
7. By the end of the day on Day 1, shooters will have shot a couple of AQT's. Times may be modified at first, then move to the actual timing that is to be used.
- at regular intervals (mid-morning, lunch time, mid afternoon, end of day) the rest breaks are used to tell shooters about Revolutionary War events.

Day 2
1. Start with a few AQT Drills.
2. 1" square drills used to make sure rifle is sighted in.
3. More AQT's.
4. Group drill - 1 AQT, three shooters working together to get as many hits as possible. Each shooter has specific targets on the paper. I was selected for 250-yard "headshot" and 500 yard redcoat.
5. More AQT's.
6. Ball & Dummy drill - work with another shooter to help correct their shooting errors / flinches, then they do the same for you.
7. More AQT's
8. More AQT's.
9. More AQT's
- again, history lessons at regular break intervals.


--> If you would like, I will gladly expand on anything I've mentioned.