Applications for concealed-weapon permits up 87% in El Paso County

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Some interesting quotes by public officials in this.

**NOTE--THIS IS IN COLORADO**

http://www.gazette.com/articles/applications_34059___article.html/county_permits.html

By ED SEALOVER
March 10, 2008 - 7:28PM
THE GAZETTE

DENVER - Applications for concealed-carry weapon permits in El Paso County rose 87 percent in 2007, fueled partly by several highprofile violent incidents locally and nationwide, said Sheriff Terry Maketa.

Permit applications rose 50 percent statewide and more than doubled in 18 of Colorado's 64 counties, according to a report issued Monday by County Sheriffs of Colorado.

Executive Director Don Christensen downplayed violence as a reason permit applications were up, noting the 2003 law mandating statewide concealed-carry permitting required that anyone who had a local permit before the law went into effect had to renew it by June 2007.

But Maketa said that of the 2,101 permits issued in El Paso County in 2007, roughly 75 percent were from new applications rather than renewals. El Paso County issued the highest number of concealed-weapon permits of any county in the state in 2007, but it is also the most populated, according to the 2006 Census.

Maketa said the greatest spikes in applications over the past year have come right after well-publicized incidents of violence.

After the February 2007 mall shooting in Utah, applications rose from 81 in February to 191 in March. Then, after the April rampage in which a gunman killed 32 people at Virginia Tech, applications went up from 174 in April to the year's monthly high, 210 applications, in May.

The trend continued after the December shooting of two sisters at New Life Church. Applications rose from 123 in December to 171 in January to 294 in February, according to figures from the Sheriff's Office.

The spike in the number of murders in Colorado Springs and a spate of legislative bills that cut into gun rights last year also factored into the equation, Maketa said.

He said he is not concerned about the growing number of legally armed people in the county. In fact, he said he believes law-abiding citizens make the region safer by getting the permits.

"Actually, I wish it was a higher number, because I know from experience that offenders in the jail system tell me they avoid crimes against people because they know there is a very high concealed-carry rate," Maketa said.

About 8,400 El Paso County residents now have active concealed-carry permits. The jurisdiction with the second-highest number of permits, Jefferson County, issued 1,139 in 2007 - 54 percent of El Paso's total.

Rep. Amy Stephens, a Monument Republican and House Judiciary Committee member, argued even more strongly than Maketa that people have been running to get permits because they believe their 2nd Amendment rights are being compromised while crime is going up.

She cited last year's SB34, which curtailed Coloradans' ability to use a concealed-carry permit issued by another state, and the news from earlier this year that the state parole board has increased the number of criminals it has let out of jail in recent months.

"I think people are saying, ‘Hey, if you're going to let criminals out and not protect us, we're going to have to protect ourselves,'" Stephens said.

Sen. John Morse, a Colorado Springs Democrat and author of SB34, said that though he does not think concealed weapons add to anyone's safety, he is not alarmed at the rise in permits. Because the state keeps a database of permit holders and can revoke a permit quickly if the person commits a crime, the general public is not at risk, the former Fountain police chief said.

El Paso also led the state in the number of permits denied (44) and revoked (49) last year. Thirty-four of the 49 revocations occurred because the permit holder was arrested, but Maketa said he does not believe any of those arrests were connected to the improper use of a weapon.

Sorry if this is a dupe.
 
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Yep, I used to live there.... Its not safe anywhere in the city. Especially since any idiot can be within 10-30 minutes of the border. If I was in El Paso I would definitely carry EVERYWHERE I could.
good luck
-bix
 
Yep, I used to live there.... Its not safe anywhere in the city. Especially since any idiot can be within 10-30 minutes of the border. If I was in El Paso I would definitely carry EVERYWHERE I could.
good luck
-bix

I think this is not El Paso, Texas. I think it is El Paso County, Colorado. :)
 
But Maketa said that of the 2,101 permits issued in El Paso County in 2007, roughly 75 percent were from new applications rather than renewals.

I'm proud to tell you I helped a lot of those new permit holders meet Colorado's admittedly absurd training requirements.
 
Sen. John Morse ... does not think concealed weapons add to anyone's safety ... the former Fountain police chief said.

I have always wanted to ask one of these goobers if they thought that weapons did not add to the safety of law enforcement officers.
 
I just hit 6 months in WY again... turned the CCW application in today. It was exactly 6 months to the day. :D

It's nice that WY has reciprocity with all of the surrounding states except for Nebraska (what's up with that anyway??). My wife turned her application in today as well... there is no way we will venture down to Salt Lake or Denver, or even over to Rapid City without at least a little .380 or something in our pockets. After living in CA for the last several years I've learned the value of being armed in heavily populated areas.
 
I'm proud to tell you I helped a lot of those new permit holders meet Colorado's admittedly absurd training requirements.

I'm proud of you,but how did a state like CO end up with these difficult requirements?And AZ is also not that simple,correct?
Alaska and Vermont make so many other states appear so asinine.
 
I don't think the requirements in Colorado Springs were all the extreme. I sat thru a 5 hour class ( coffee & donuts & a trip to Wendy's at lunch) and shot maybe 20 rounds at the range.

Later I found out my DD214 would have done the trick
 
He said he is not concerned about the growing number of legally armed people in the county. In fact, he said he believes law-abiding citizens make the region safer by getting the permits.

"Actually, I wish it was a higher number, because I know from experience that offenders in the jail system tell me they avoid crimes against people because they know there is a very high concealed-carry rate," Maketa said.

You don't know how much that warms my heart to read that.
 
Zundfolge remarked:

[dirty little secret]A Hunter Safety card meets the "training" requirement here[/dirty little secret]

Huh!

To your knowledge, is that just true of El Paso County? I don't recall seeing that for the whole state --or for any other counties. (I'm in Jefferson County.)

I went through the Hunter Safety class with my son a long time ago just to keep him company and got my Hunter Safety Card even though I didn't need it (grandfathered in).

I wonder if I could have saved myself some $ on the class I took.... even though I learned a lot in the CCW class.
 
To your knowledge, is that just true of El Paso County?
The way I understand it, its up to the individual county Sheriffs to determine the training qualification. So you'll need to check with your own county (its listed on the El Paso County Sheriff's site here)

If you're near Golden and in JeffCo they say the hunter safety card is NOT enough :(
 
...how did a state like CO end up with these difficult requirements?

Any so-called "training requirement" prior to exercising one's civil rights is an infringement.

That said™, Colorado's law requires, quote, evidence of safety training, end quote. The length of the course isn't specified, nor is the cost, nor are the contents. The law is written to favor NRA-certified instructors, of which I happen to be one; after that, it's vague.

In sum: the "training requirement" could be a lot worse, and is in many states, but still shouldn't exist at all.
 
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