Ar-10 + hornady superformance problem

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Went to the range yesterday and shot three boxes of hornady superformance .308 165gr sst. While shooting these my trigger periodically failed to reset four times and the rifle double fired once (im not sure if double fire was caused by a bump fire or slam fire). some of the spent casings had blown and punctured primers. The range master also said something about the rings marked on the neck of the spent casings. I'm looking for advice on wether this is a possible mechanical issue or of these rounds are to hot for the rifle system. Thanks.
Spent cartridge pictures
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I see that the case missing primer end with the body stuck inside there is having ''Pressure Issues'' and you can see the ejector marking the bottom of the casing. Another thing is have you tried a GO AN NOGO headspacer to check it?

I have to go be right back
 
I also see a ring at the very edge of the neck, are you crimping the bullet , or is the bullet hitting the barrel which could cause a slamfire/bump. I am asking simple questions not that you don't know how to reload but will better help me help you.
 
What charge are you putting into the case. Is it measured via powder drop or beamed scaled/ electronic scale be cautious on the electronic they can be overloading what I do is measure a beam load see what it weighs on the electronic and measure the same for each round there after. I know the charging info is weak at best on the superformance powder.
 
you can also see signs on the primer its self of exceeding a load by leaving marks on the primer where the bolt getting pounded.
 
Your trigger reset problem could be due to primer debris in the tigger mech. Any other ammo do this?
 
thanks for the replies. All three boxes I shot were all factory ammo. and no I havent had this problem with other factory loads but ive only put about 100 rounds through it before yesterday. im going to have a friend check the head spacing this afternoon. I was just seeing if you guys could see some other possible issues I need to look into. Has anyone else had problems with the superformance loads in a simi auto system?
 
Which rifle is it? I don't know man. The first pic kind of looks like something inside of the chamber is leaving an indentation or something on the necks of your brass. In the second picture, I do see ejector marks on a couple of the heads. If your chamber is out of spec, you could be having over pressure problems, although I don't see excessive primer flow or flattening. Still, I'd say that it's a pressure problem.

Is the rifle new?
 
The rifle is an armalite ar-10t. I bought it at a gun show last spring. I'm unsure production year. the seller said it was unfired and when I inspected it, it did seem to be new. I have only put about 200-250 round through it. and I had stripped and cleaned the rifle before I shot yesterday and experienced problems. I also forgot to mention that there was a lot of soot on rounds left in magazine when ever I finished shooting.
 
Those primer stricks look very deep. Sort of like a firing pin that is too far extended out from the breech face and blowing the back out of the primer. I don't see signs of over-pressure as the primer edges don't appear to be expanded into the primer pockets.

Check your firing pin depth and make sure it retracks properly at breech closesure.
 
I agree with Robert, the firing pin indentations look awfully deep on all remaining primers.

Other than the missing primer and the one where the primer is pierced, I don't see significant pressure signs on the brass.

Your trigger issue is most likely debris in the trigger group as mentioned, try cleaning and lubing all the trigger surfaces and moving parts. Second guess would be strange functioning from hugely excessive bolt carrier velocity (from the Superformance pressure curve) but that would probably also cause jams or failure to feed issues.

Hornady claims that the Superformance is OK in rifle-length gas systems and not OK in shorter gas systems, but maybe that claim is only for 223/5.56 rifles and not for .308 caliber. Not to state the obvious but it seems that this ammo doesn't work for your AR-10. I would contact Hornady with all this information but I wouldn't buy any more Superformance for your AR-10 for now.
 
I thought superperformance had a discaimer on the box stateing that it was NOT intended for semi automatic firearms. Maby I am thinking of light mag.
 
Light Magnum rounds and semi-autos was a definate no-no. I'm not positive about the Superformance, but would personally never use them in anything but a bolt action.
 
Who'd of thunk?
longer duration/application of peak pressure in the pressure time curve that occurs within the barrel (see Fig. 1 pressure curve). In other words, both Superformance and standard propellants provide an equally powerful “push” applied to the base of the bullet, but with Superformance propellants, the “push” is applied for a longer period of time.

Once the peak pressure dissipates, the Superformance powder burn returns to a “normal” curve, similar to standard propellants. This illustrates the highly progressive burning characteristics of the powder and its ability to completely burn. A complete burn of the entire Superformance charge takes place in a shorter period of time, creating far less velocity reduction in shorter barrel lengths (barrel length = time to burn).
Internal Ballistics of Superformance in Semi-Auto / Select Fire Guns

Superformance ammunition is tested and is safely within SAAMI pressure guidelines. Gas operated (direct impingement or gas piston) firearms are perfectly safe to use with Superformance ammunition. However, Hornady ballisticians have conducted testing with a variety of guns (including guns equipped with suppressors), and our findings conclude that some systems work far better with Superformance ammunition than others.

It is recommended that to get the best functioning with Superformance ammunition in gas operated/gas piston semi-automatic or select fire guns, rifle length gas systems with 20 inch or longer barrel lengths are best for reliable firing and extraction. Any other configuration, particularly shorter barrels/gas systems are best served with the installation of an adjustable gas system, ESPECIALLY if a suppressor is to be installed.

Due to the longer duration of peak pressure produced by Superformance™, the post peak/declining port pressure at common carbine and mid-length gas port locations is still higher than that produced by standard propellant. This has a tendency to flood the system with a larger volume of gas, at a higher velocity, that tries to open the bolt of the gun too fast. It’s a timing issue. The cartridge case is still swollen from the application of pressure during firing while the gun is simultaneously trying to extract the cartridge case before it has had an opportunity to settle back to its original size, or more simply: the gun is still in the process or firing while it’s trying to extract the cartridge case.

If the firearm and the ammunition are not in sync, there can be what is commonly identified as “pressure signs” on the cartridge case. This is exhibited by the movement/marring of the head of the cartridge case, cratered primers, flat primers, ripped or ruptured cartridge cases, “popped primers”, and/or any combination of these effects. If any of these “pressure signs” are apparent, stop firing immediately. If an adjustable gas system is installed, it is advisable to reduce the amount of gas flowing through the system by closing the gas port until the gun operates correctly.:eek:
 
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