AR-15 shooters... Question on accuracy or extreme accuracy.
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BADUNAME37
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I would say it would depend a lot on your ammunition and how good a shooter you are (short of a vice).
Semmerling
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600 yards....
2" groups.....
No, not even close.
2" groups.....
No, not even close.
fastbike
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You're asking for 1/3 MOA. 4 inches probably. 2 inches no.
Lloyd Smale
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they can be very accurate but i wouldnt hold my breath trying to get 2 inch groups at 600 yards.
Semmerling
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There is always somebody that confuses the word "consistently" with any other adjective.
The question is 5 shots, 2" group @ 600 yards with a .223 consistantly with an AR-15.
The answer is still no.
The question is 5 shots, 2" group @ 600 yards with a .223 consistantly with an AR-15.
The answer is still no.
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GregGry
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I don't gamble, but if I had someone saying they could do it with a ar15, I would be more then willing to throw down a couple hundred. Now if its a 4K dollar ar15, custom loaded ammo, with a well known long range shooter, i wouldn't want to bet too much. The key is consistent, most people couldn't shoot 2 inch groups at 300 yards with a good rifle consistently.
R.W.Dale
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Not even with a bolt action.
Doubly so if it's some Dude at the range wanting to bet. Just about everyone confuses their "I got lucky once" group for that stupid cleche' "All day long."
Not saying it cannot be done, but the people who make these claims seldom can back it up.
That's called "hoping you won't call em out" In drag racing someone who'll only race for money simply doesn't want to race
Doubly so if it's some Dude at the range wanting to bet. Just about everyone confuses their "I got lucky once" group for that stupid cleche' "All day long."
Not saying it cannot be done, but the people who make these claims seldom can back it up.
That's called "hoping you won't call em out" In drag racing someone who'll only race for money simply doesn't want to race
An average shooter couldn't shoot consistant 2" groups at 100 yds.
I spend half my range time explaining how to sight in, why the gun shoots higher off a piece of 2X4 than a sandbag, why you shouldn't yank the trigger, etc.
Last time I was out, the guy next to me would fire a round from his new 30/06, remove the bolt, bore sight on the target, adjust the crosshairs and repeat. I asked him why he was doing that. His explanation was so absurd I didn't even try to argue.
Also, if you took the average shooter to a 600 yd range and showed him the target, he'd swear it was a half mile away.
I spend half my range time explaining how to sight in, why the gun shoots higher off a piece of 2X4 than a sandbag, why you shouldn't yank the trigger, etc.
Last time I was out, the guy next to me would fire a round from his new 30/06, remove the bolt, bore sight on the target, adjust the crosshairs and repeat. I asked him why he was doing that. His explanation was so absurd I didn't even try to argue.
Also, if you took the average shooter to a 600 yd range and showed him the target, he'd swear it was a half mile away.
afy, 1/3rd MOA and "average shooter"
uh uh
do a little googling on f-class mid-range matches. world record holder only put about 15 rnds out of 20 into a 3" circle with a bolt gun. do you really expect an 'average' shooter to put 5 rnds into a 2" circle with an AR?
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HEH! that's comedy gold right there
uh uh
do a little googling on f-class mid-range matches. world record holder only put about 15 rnds out of 20 into a 3" circle with a bolt gun. do you really expect an 'average' shooter to put 5 rnds into a 2" circle with an AR?
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HEH! that's comedy gold right there
Semmerling
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Hold on, wait a minute...can the .223 shoot...hell yes.
Start reading...
http://snipersparadise.com/sniperchat/index.php?showtopic=9207
Note: Folks, some of these are bolt guns.
still, the answer to this question, as asked, is no.
Start reading...
http://snipersparadise.com/sniperchat/index.php?showtopic=9207
Note: Folks, some of these are bolt guns.
still, the answer to this question, as asked, is no.
matrem
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I'd like to "learn" from this "willing to bet" friend of your's.Several accuracy conscience AR shooters that I know,would like that formula.
They're good,but...That good??
They're good,but...That good??
My best from my long range ar is 3/8s at 200 yards. I have done it twice in the last 6 yrs with two diff rifles. One was the ar and one is a 6mm br bolt gun. Wish I could do it again on call but just doesn't happen that way. Wind, mirage, flinch all those things come together. There are pleny of guys in the bench rest world who wish they could do it consistantly also. Plenty of people can probably do it once or a couple of times but not consistantly
1858rem
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just curious....how many people have found out they flinch, but only flinch after the shot..or are my reflexes just really bad?
I built mine with a higher end barrel, I work a lot on my loads and I'm a fair shot. I can hold 1/2 MOA consistently at 100, occasionally at 200, after that I'm beyond my skill. I imagine in the right hands my gun could be 1/2 MOA, in perfect conditions, and the hands of an expert out to 350.
1/3 MOA at 600, more than once, not a chance...not with mine anyway...
1/3 MOA at 600, more than once, not a chance...not with mine anyway...
ShunZu
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+1. Absolutely NO wind, no mirage, no variables, world-class shooter with $4K AR and custom reloads... I'd still be willing to bet against him over 5 series of 5-shot groupings (total 25 rounds) at that 600 yd target.
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Sounds like BS to me, no offense.
For years I've heard various extreme claims from shooters who think they are better than world class:
"I can shoot 4" groups consistently at 1,000yrds"
"I can cold-bore shoot a dime at 500yrds every time"
Whatever. I want to see half of these people back up their claims! Regardless, I think these claims show up for a variety of reasons:
-An inability to estimate distance ("man, look at that target... it's like 400 yards away")
-An ego (the classic "fish story")
-A dumb luck thing that happened one time.
For years I've heard various extreme claims from shooters who think they are better than world class:
"I can shoot 4" groups consistently at 1,000yrds"
"I can cold-bore shoot a dime at 500yrds every time"
Whatever. I want to see half of these people back up their claims! Regardless, I think these claims show up for a variety of reasons:
-An inability to estimate distance ("man, look at that target... it's like 400 yards away")
-An ego (the classic "fish story")
-A dumb luck thing that happened one time.
CoRoMo
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No way, no how.
I'll place my life's savings on a bet against this...
I'll set up four targets and he can fire 20 rounds and then hand me the cash.
I'll place my life's savings on a bet against this...
and I'll do all the legwork. All he has to do is show up and show off.
I'll set up four targets and he can fire 20 rounds and then hand me the cash.
jerkface11
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I'd put money on most people not being able to shoot a 2" group at 100 meters.
pgeleven
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1 out of 4 michigan militiamen cannot hit a 9 inch plate at 100 yards with an AR
thats your fun fact for the day
but other than that, your 2 inch at 600 yards expectations are very unreasonable, especially with an AR
thats your fun fact for the day
but other than that, your 2 inch at 600 yards expectations are very unreasonable, especially with an AR
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