AR AR on the wall, who is the fairest of them all

[SpentCasing]

What battles?

I admit I caught that too, and I lol a bit whenever I see people claiming BCM as "battle tested". KAC and LaRue (308s mainly) are most definitely in the hands of our snipers.

Fun fact: Anyone know how the LaRue "Stealth" upper got their name?

 

[CharlieDeltaJuliet]

Colt is honestly the best rifle you can buy for the money. For the basic direct impingement gun, you cannot beat it. I personally will spend a little extra on the Daniel Defense. I like the handguards and such. I own a few AR's and to be honest each have their own pros and cons. The RRA 24" Varmint I have is sub MOA accurate but has to be lubed really good to cycle fast. The Hk MR556 runs almost dry and is the cleanest operating (no gases and less gunk) AR I have ever shot. The company also brags about not changing barrels for 40k+ rounds (fully auto), but costs three times what a Colt does.

My point is each have their own ups and downs, the Colt is all around the better deal for most. I also have an M&P15 I would trust my life with. You need to figure your budget and buy the best AR that suites you and your budget.

 

[Warp]

what brands would you avoid ?

That is an entirely different question, and topic, than what this thread is about.

And it has been done about 2184208 times in other threads.

 

[dcarch]

Les Baer, IMHO.

 

[C-grunt]

What battles?

My old squad leader uses a Daniel Defense Mk18. I don't know if its a complete DD rifle but at least the upper is. KAC, Larue and LMT AR10s have been used extensively overseas. Ive also seen pictures of BCM stainless uppers used by SOF personnel.

 

[Sgt_R]

My old squad leader uses a Daniel Defense Mk18. I don't know if its a complete DD rifle but at least the upper is. KAC, Larue and LMT AR10s have been used extensively overseas. Ive also seen pictures of BCM stainless uppers used by SOF personnel.

I saw a BCM upper in Iraq.

Off topic, I also saw a handful of Colt M4's with Magpul furniture.

R

 

[ObsceneJesster]

What battles?

Do your research and you will find many Special Forces units who use BCM and Daniel Defense rifles. Both companies arguably make the best BCG's in the business and for some reason you don't think our government knows this?

Do you think these companies only sell to the public and don't have contracts with our military?

And no, you wont find DPMS or Del-Ton rifles being used over seas. Actually, DPMS tried getting on a recent Military contract and their rifle failed miserably.

 

[Warp]

Do your research and you will find many Special Forces units who use BCM and Daniel Defense rifles. Both companies arguably make the best BCG's in the business and for some reason you don't think our government knows this?

Do you think these companies only sell to the public and don't have contracts with our military?

And no, you wont find DPMS or Del-Ton rifles being used over seas. Actually, DPMS tried getting on a recent Military contract and their rifle failed miserably.

Can you provide/reference BCM and Daniel Defense military contracts?

 

[mljdeckard]

The guys in 19th group run Colt M-4s. They do have KAC M-110s, but the old E-8 I was on the range with hates them, says if they shoot them faster than about 6 RPM, they start to malfunction. He would rather grab an M-14 off the rack.

How a company builds AR-15s does not necessarily reflect AT ALL in how their .308-pattern rifles will run, and vice-versa.

 

[C-grunt]

I can't show you an order list but I know for a fact my friend uses a Daniel Defense Mk18.

 

[C-grunt]

The guys in 19th group run Colt M-4s. They do have KAC M-110s, but the old E-8 I was on the range with hates them, says if they shoot them faster than about 6 RPM, they start to malfunction. He would rather grab an M-14 off the rack.

How a company builds AR-15s does not necessarily reflect AT ALL in how their .308-pattern rifles will run, and vice-versa.

This is a great example of what I try and tell most people. Most SOF guys, at least from my experience, use a plain jane M4. Not the flavor of the month "replacement".

The SF group I worked around during my 05 tour had M4s. Actually the only weapons they had they weren't "normal" was a Dillon minigun and a 300 Win Mag sniper rifle, which from what I've read is t very uncommon anymore.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

The Sig looks good too. I have one, but I like my home build best.

All the SIGs that I've seen at the range have pins backing out.

 

[mljdeckard]

(Btw, I was in 3rd ID twice,

3rd ID, 1st Bde, 3-64 AR, 1992-93
3rd ID, 1st Bde, attached to 1-41 FA, JSS Loyalty, Sadr City, 2010.)

 

[CharlieDeltaJuliet]

Well the 300WM is gaining popularity again in the Army. They are re-barreling their m-24's to 300WM. With the Mk248 mod1 they are reaching out pretty good with them. I have seen some SF guys running M4's that would make most cringe(looking worn out and ragged), a few running the Hk 416, but hat is usually the wet branches of the service. Honestly there are many great AR's out there and you can find great rifles from $1000 on up.... If I wanted a DI gun that was no bull and trusted, I would start looking at Colt or DD. if I wanted a piston gun I wold go with the Sig 516 or the Hk 416. I honestly cannot say enough good about any of these.... While the Hk cost a lot, it has impressed me more than it's price. The Sig was designed off of a similar system with the help of a guy from the 416 design team. The Sig may be the newer boy on the block, but might have a little more to offer...

As far as the ones to avoid.... Any bubba built rifle. People who brag about "best build" and "same as Special Forces" are a red flag for me..lol. I love riles that people build themselves, mine are my favorite I own. But some people have no business holding them much less building them for others.

If you want good advice on these rifles, listen to Quentin,Mljdeckard,Warp (sorry I didnt have room to write everyones name that I respect the opinions of) and these others who honestly know their stuff.

 

[two gun charlie]

That is an entirely different question, and topic, than what this thread is about.

And it has been done about 2184208 times in other threads.

no , I started this thread to get an idea at what to look at , since I will have to import at great expense and don't want to waste time and money.
With so many "good" brands mentioned , I realised it might be easier to just get the list of "not so good" brands.
Have to admit that I am leaning heavily towards colt at the moment , but with DD getting mentioned so often I might have to toss a coin

 

[Captains1911]

IMO, you can't go wrong with Colt, BCM, LMT, or Daniel Defense. There are many other decent rifles but these are considered to be at the top.

Of course your "boutique" brands like LaRue, Noveske, and KAC are excellent but cost considerably more.

There are real differences between rifle manufacturers, some people just refuse to acknowledge them. Whether or not you need to pay extra for a top of the line is for you to determine.

 

[TCBPATRIOT]

I just put a deposit down on a DDM4V5 and I've shot everything from rental bushmasters to a true 416 and I decided that the DD is the best rifle on the market that I can justify spending the money on. If I ever want to shoot a Noveske or HK well that's what friends are for.

 

[68wj]

Do your research and you will find many Special Forces units who use BCM and Daniel Defense rifles. Both companies arguably make the best BCG's in the business and for some reason you don't think our government knows this?

I said no such thing. Calling something "battle proven" just stinks more of marketing than history. As for research, that is why I asked the question. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction. Unfortunately there are so many SF claims where those that know can't say, and those that say don't know.

 

[Pilot]

I saw a BCM upper in Iraq.

Off topic, I also saw a handful of Colt M4's with Magpul furniture.

R

Were these being used by contractors?

 

[Gordon]

Noveske
LaRue
KAC
?





Colt
All others

 

[Warp]

no , I started this thread to get an idea at what to look at , since I will have to import at great expense and don't want to waste time and money.
With so many "good" brands mentioned , I realised it might be easier to just get the list of "not so good" brands.
Have to admit that I am leaning heavily towards colt at the moment , but with DD getting mentioned so often I might have to toss a coin

It isn't easier that way.

It is easier to list the ones that are great-good.

There are simply too many people assembling AR's to go off and list all of the ones that aren't a safe bet. Not being on the "don't buy" list wouldn't mean it's worth spit.

 

[Sgt_R]

Were these being used by contractors?

I don't think so. Their owners were all wearing ACU's, but that's not a 100% reliable indicator (joint service environment).

I had a chance to talk to one kid who was using a Magpul MOE stock. He was definitely Army (Specialist). I was honestly surprised his command let him mod his M4, but he said his unit didn't care as long as he returned it to as-issued config before they rotated home.

I should point out that these anecdotes are the exception, not the rule; 99.99% of the weapons I saw in Iraq were standard issue.

R

 

[Quentin]

... I lol a bit whenever I see people claiming BCM as "battle tested" ...

... Bravo Company USA, Inc.'s Previous Customers Include:
HQ SOCOM (Special Operations Command), US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, US Marines, US Coast Guard, various Special Operations Units, Department of Homeland Security, US Border Patrol, American Embassies, Private Security Companies, Law Enforcement Agencies and Tactical Units, and responsible civilians ...

Also Paul Buffoni (BCM Pres./CEO) has said before he started up BCM ten+ years ago to provide higher quality ARs to US Contractors and LEOs. At the time many were forced to choose from Bushmaster, DPMS, ArmaLite, Olympic and Vulcan, among others. He felt there was a market for something closer to milspec yet at a lower cost (and more available) than Colt was at the time.

I think BCM has earned their stripes, so why not call them battle tested.

 

[Reloadron]

I just put a deposit down on a DDM4V5 and I've shot everything from rental bushmasters to a true 416 and I decided that the DD is the best rifle on the market that I can justify spending the money on. If I ever want to shoot a Noveske or HK well that's what friends are for.

That's all that matters. A rifle you like since it will be yours and a rifle that fits in your budget. Own it, shoot it and enjoy it.

Ron

 

[two gun charlie]

Ruger and Remington ? they have recently started selling their AR's here , they don't look bad ?