AR/M4 Junkies HELP!

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Ok, so I don't have a giant wad of cash to spend, and I really want to purchase an AR/M4 soon.

I have found good deals online for a Rock River Arms Entry Tactical, and a Stag Arm AR15 Model 2. Both are pretty much the exact same price.

My question is, which is the better choice, and why?

My use of the firearm will probably help, and quite honestly I just want it for recreational use and fun at our hunting lease. I may do varmint shooting and maybe close range hog hunting(we have a tripod with a feeder about 20 yards away). In other words, I won't be using this gun to compete, but I want one that is reliable and will give me much use.

Also, which feeds ammunition better? Any and all information will be greatly appreciated.
 
Oh! And if anyone knows anyone selling a Double Arms one please let me know. I cannot find them for sale online, all are out of stock.
 
CMMG bargin bin rifles like what highorder found will be by far your best .. bargain. Hands down. Otherwise, I'd recommend a S&W M&P15 derivative.
 
My Rock River M4gry has zero flop between the upper and lower. Never handled a Stag personally, but have looked at others like Bushmaster and Olympic, all brand new and unfired. They all had slop in them. You could hold the gun from one hand with the piston grip and feel the play between the upper and lower. None in my Rock River.

Not to say mine is unique regarding fit, but after several hundred rounds, it still has no play.
 
for value, Del-Ton or CMMG bargain bin rifles.

They'll work as range toys and can hold up to some moderate use, but nothing spectacular.

Another good choice would be S&W as well. Much nicer quality for just a little more than what you are willing to spend.

However, I will always recommend that you build your own or buy a top-dollar one like Colt, Bravo, Nov, or LMT. Remember: "when you buy top-brand, you only cry once." If you can hold out for a little more money or tack on $400 or so to your budget, you can have a rifle that you will have no second thoughts on.
 
Haha, I liked that quote about crying only once.

Thanks a lot everyone, its great that a site like this exists. Wish I knew about this years ago.
 
My Rock River M4gry has zero flop between the upper and lower.
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Play between the upper and lower means nothing as far as function goes.

That said, I mated a RRA lower to a Stag upper last night for my brother and that thing fits so freakin tight between the two, I don't know how we'll ever get them apart. Of course, shooting them will loosen them up a little. However, it took me a while to get that upper on that lower...

They both get their receivers from CMT though. There are only a handful of companies making all of the receivers for all AR15 companies out there.
 
Like the man said...it's better to cry only once :)

Whether you "build" or buy a weapon make sure it's one you WANT to live with for a few years.

Rifles are like wives/girlfriends... you can get one you know you're gonna get rid of sooner or later or you can hold our for a "keeper". Some folks chose the former.. some the latter.

Either way you go make sure it's what you want. In other words.. don't let US tell YOU what you should be doing :)

Now .. on to the "advice"....

I personally enjoy building rifles (AR's , bolts, rimfire.. I don't care.. I like to tinker).

Get an upper reciever kit (LOTS of sources) a decent barrel , personally recommend either a White Oak or if you can afford one.. Lothar Walther in 1in8,wylde chambered

Lower recievers are everywhere.. search gunbrokers.com if you don't believe me :)

Or you can forgo the previous "pleasures" of building a weapon and buy one off the shelf. Your call on that.. but here are a couple of items that will make your new toy easier to live with.

Muzzle devices.. not your Dad's flash hiders anymore... LOTS of new tech out.

My personal favorite for general use is the Primary Weapons Systems FSC556 brake/hider.

Next.. goto Sprinco.com and get one of their "red" buffer springs and one of NoKick.com's H-1 or H-2 buffers. Takes alot of the slam out of an M-4.

An alternative to the heavy buffer is the Enidine AR-restor hydraulic buffer. I have one in my varmint rifle (20" AR built by yours truly:) and have fired in excess of 4k rounds through it without a problem. YMMV on this though.

Lastly.. and probably the single most expensive component you'll ever get for your rifle...

A Timney trigger pack. They cost from about $180 to as high as $240 depending on where you get yours.

Again I have one in all my rifles be they M-4's or full length rifles.

Food for thought,

and good luck!
 
I'd recommend the CMMG BB M4gery. Stag as a second.

Rifles are like wives/girlfriends... you can get one you know you're gonna get rid of sooner or later or you can hold our for a "keeper". Some folks chose the former.. some the latter.
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Bad analogy IMO. You can get just about any mid-tier AR and upgrade as money allows. You can get another AR without having to be worry about getting caught, and you can get rid of one without going to court and/or paying legal fees.

Most of the time, all a mid-tier AR needs is a BCM bolt (use the stocker as a spare) and a few minutes with a centerpunch and hammer. And a buffertube for RRA...
 
Max Dec for the win, though all advice seems sound. :D Couple of things - get some good magazines (Bravo Company) - PMAGs would be my recommendation, lube it thoroughly (Slip 2000 for me) and enjoy. :)
 
Thanks all!

However, I just realized one problem...I am a lefty.

For some reason the ONLY thing I am left handed at is shooting rifles. I didn't see this as a problem because I have no problems with my hunting rifle. But after looking at ARs so much these past few days I can see how me being a lefty may be a little uncomfortable with a Right handed gun. Is Stag Arms the only company that makes left handed ARs? It is the only one I can find.
 
I'm a lefty (with long arms). I own no lefty ARs. I dont even have ambi safeties on any of mine (three, with one more under construction).

The only problems I have is the smell when shooting wolf in my 9mm, and my .22's erratic ejection. Nothing else really bothers me. The bolt catch is just out of reach, but that doesn't move on a lefty AR, its built on a standard lower.

The ambi safety runs about $20 or so (available from BM, RRA, DPMS, and of course, Stag). You could also look into a Norgon Ambi-Catch as well.
 
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That is true. It seems like a right handed AR has it's mag a little more to the right than to the left. I could be wrong, but I was looking up videos of lefties shooting rightie guns and I noticed the person having to stick out their right arm quite a bit due to the magazine. Was that just the person or is it true?
 
Just the person I guess.

Lefty ARs are lefty uppers built on standard (righty) lowers, with ambi safeties and mag catches.
 
I like Stag better between those two companies.
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+1, but only between the two choices given at the same price. There are better guns, and if saving up for one is the only way to get it, I'd recommend that. Otherwise, enjoy it often!
 
Being a lefty myself, I have Stag 2L upper on a RRA lower. So I'd say get a Stag. It's great to be able to shoot a semi-auto and not see the ejected brass in front of your face.
 
There are better guns, and if saving up for one is the only way to get it, I'd recommend that. Otherwise, enjoy it often!
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For a defensive carbine, yes there are better choices. For a hunting/plinking/varminting gun, Stag or RRA would be fine.
 
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