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Gun, drug offenses bring prison term

Loaded firearms and crack were in house with sleeping children.

By MATTHEW S. GALBRAITH
Tribune Staff Writer

SOUTH BEND -- A federal judge summed up Alfred Del Toro's problems in the first line of the court's recent sentencing memorandum.

"On September 24, 2004, police found (Del Toro) in a house full of sleeping children, loaded firearms and recently cooked crack cocaine," U.S. District Judge Robert L. Miller Jr. wrote.

One of the weapons -- a semi-automatic assault rifle with two banana clips holding 63 rounds taped together for rapid reloading -- was found under the cushion of a living room couch where one of the children was sleeping, a police affidavit added.

On Tuesday, Miller sentenced Del Toro to more than 12 years in prison. The defendant pleaded guilty to possession with intent to distribute more than 5 grams of crack cocaine and possession of a firearm in connection with drug trafficking.

The judge imposed 87 months for the drug-dealing offense and a mandatory consecutive 60 months for the weapon charge, bringing the total to 147 months for the South Bend man.

The length of the sentence was appropriate, the judge reasoned, "in light of the presence of children with the guns and the drugs and the two-decade span of Mr. Del Toro's criminal activity."

Del Toro, 36, was arrested by St. Joseph County Police Department deputies who went to his house on South Grant Street to serve a warrant in 2004. The deputies were met by a barricaded front door and no answer from the people inside, according to the affidavit.

They tried putting a ladder up to an upstairs bedroom, then gained entry to an outer porch through an open window and began pounding on the front door before Del Toro finally opened it.

Inside the house, police found two sleeping children on a couch and a chair in the living room. Two other children were asleep in a back bedroom, police said.

After the officers found a plastic bag in the trash that contained a white residue believed to be crack cocaine, Del Toro directed them to the assault rifle, a loaded handgun, marijuana, cash and 18 grams of crack cocaine, which Del Toro admitted he had just finished cooking.

A federal grand jury indicted him in October and he pleaded guilty to two of the four charges against him in February of this year.

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Man, if these people are worrying about "loaded assault rifles" that have a capacity of 63 rounds and one loaded handgun, then let's hope they never come over to my place... :D

The "assault rifle" might've been a partially-loaded AK with drum or AR-15 with Beta... but personally, it's their "banana clips" that I'm worried about. Who in their right mind would need to clip bananas together? :confused: :p
 
AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!

They are MAGAZINES, not CLIPS!!!!!

stupid journalists. :mad:


Good bust though. Get that cocaine off the streets. Good job guys.
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At least he wasnt using a magcinch. That'd be enough cause for them to create a new list of bannables labeled "assault weapon accessories"
 
*in best seinfeld voice*

WHAT ARE WITH BANANA CLIPS? They aren't bananas and they aren't clips! :neener:

next thing they'll have to restrict bananas because they have more of an "assault appearance" than other fruit.
 
Remind me again what this guy did wrong?

Having children isnt a crime. Yet.
Having a gun to protect yourself isnt even a crime. In some places.
Making drugs in the privacy of your own home shouldnt be a crime either.
Yet all of these things together is deadly sin.

What is his wife going to do to support her children without her crack dealer husband to help make rent? I dont have a lot of sympathy, but at least he was taking care of his family.
 
Who in their right mind would need to clip bananas together?
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Actually,,....

They come in quite handy when your in a 3 gun competition (IPSC) on a rifle stage which requires 50 rnds, and one mandatory reload.

Been there, done that.
 
Remind me again what this guy did wrong?

Having children isnt a crime. Yet.
Having a gun to protect yourself isnt even a crime. In some places.
Making drugs in the privacy of your own home shouldnt be a crime either.
Yet all of these things together is deadly sin.
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Uh.

Until drugs are legalized, "what he did wrong" was have drugs. A LOT of drugs.

I mean, OK. I understand that the libertarians think drugs should be legal. But asking "gee, what did he do wrong?" is disingenuous. He's a crack dealer. That's what he did wrong, under our current laws.

For the record, I freely admit that the media should not sensationalize the presence of the eeeeeeeevil weapon. And, FWIW, that firearms charge is probably sitting like a cherry atop a pretty large "mandatory-minimum for possession/distribution" sundae.

Mike
 
What is his wife going to do to support her children without her crack dealer husband to help make rent? I dont have a lot of sympathy, but at least he was taking care of his family.
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Also, this wins the award for "I've never been within 100 yards of a crackhouse" naivete. Yeah, leaving loaded guns around the house (I'm sure he's taught his kids the 4 rules), cooking and peddling crack, setting everyone up to be the victim of a home invasion (believe me: that hardware and the barricade isn't for the cops. He gave it up when they showed)...yeah. That's "taking care of your family", all right.

I'm sure the house was nice and clean and they had plenty of food and clothes, too. A nice safe, secure environment for your children, that.

Mike :scrutiny:
 
i had to go get a friend out of a crack house once in pittsburgh. no fun, for sure.

why people do that to themselves, i'll never understand.
 
Remind me again what this guy did wrong?

Having children isnt a crime. Yet.
Having a gun to protect yourself isnt even a crime. In some places.
Making drugs in the privacy of your own home shouldnt be a crime either.
Yet all of these things together is deadly sin.

What is his wife going to do to support her children without her crack dealer husband to help make rent? I dont have a lot of sympathy, but at least he was taking care of his family.
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You're not even kidding, are you :scrutiny:

Lets see...

Having children isnt a crime. Yet. - No, but it SHOULD be a PRIVELIGE, not a RIGHT.
Having a gun to protect yourself isnt even a crime. In some places. - Come on... letting one of your children SLEEP on the damn thing SHOULD be illegal.
Making drugs in the privacy of your own home shouldnt be a crime either. - The defendant pleaded guilty to possession with intent to distribute
Yet all of these things together is deadly sin. You smoke pot... don't you :neener:
 
Having children isnt a crime. Yet. - No, but it SHOULD be a PRIVELIGE, not a RIGHT.
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Funny. Who's going to decide who is "worthy" of having children? You? What business do you have telling two other people that they aren't allowed to bear children? What will you do if the woman becomes pregnant anyway - force an abortion? Kill her? Imprison them both, and imprison the child once born? Maybe take it away to a re-education center so it can grow up in a manner you find proper?

You smoke pot... don't you
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Try debating the topic instead of slinging mud.

If I was on the jury for this case, I'd find the guy innocent of all charges except possibly child endangerment. An unjust law is null and void. But then again, if crack were legal, this guy wouldn't have been cooking it in his house in the first place. He'd be working at McDonald's because he wouldn't be able to compete against the corporations in a legal drug marketplace.
 
Probably two 30-round magazines overstuffed with cartridges. Or bananas. Whatever. It's a "bunch-o-bullets". "I can get another round into this mag - hand me that hammer"

In a more better world, the drugs would be legal, but there'd be no high-profit black market, just normal market forces (plus state and local taxes, of course).

The gun would be legal, though it's really stupid to leave a little kid near one unsupervised. Wouldn't need to protect the illegal drug supply, since they'd be legal.

The kid would still be legal.

The old man would have to find a job.

Regards.
 
Funny. Who's going to decide who is "worthy" of having children? You? What business do you have telling two other people that they aren't allowed to bear children? What will you do if the woman becomes pregnant anyway - force an abortion? Kill her? Imprison them both, and imprison the child once born? Maybe take it away to a re-education center so it can grow up in a manner you find proper?
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No, I didn't mean (or say) that it should be a LEGAL privelige... but rather it should be CONSIDERED as such BY the moron who lets his kid physically SLEEP over a loaded weapon while he cooks drugs in the house. Children are a wonderful BLESSING, and it makes me furious when some guy (and girl) irresponsibly crank 'em out left and right when they can't afford to feed themselves, let alone their 9 children they already have. Then they ignore them, leave them to fend for themselves, beat them, (or worse), and all that while applying for food stamps to feed them all with money that you and I made at our real jobs NOT making crack. You can't tell me this guy gives two cents about his kids (unless you actually OFFERED HIM $$ FOR THEM) the way he endangered them... not just with the weapon, but cooking crack ain't exactly like baking cookies.

Maybe I'm skewed, but my wife spent 4 years as a child abuse investigator for a county in Alabama. You may think you've heard the worst, but you'd STILL be surprised at what these people do/don't do where kids are concerned. I get the impression Coronach knows what I'm talking about, judging from some of his comments.

I just wish these morons had enough sense to realize "hey, you know I really don't WANT any kids, I really can't AFFORD any kids, and I'd have a LOT more time to cook and sell CRACK if I didn't have any... maybe I should spend the $10 on a big box of CONDOMS and do everyone a favor!

You smoke pot... don't you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Try debating the topic instead of slinging mud.
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What, I can't make a joke? :neener: That was intended to be humorous, and you are seriously stretching your definition of "slinging mud" as I didn't actually insult anyone... I just asked a question.

If I was on the jury for this case, I'd find the guy innocent of all charges except possibly child endangerment. An unjust law is null and void. But then again, if crack were legal, this guy wouldn't have been cooking it in his house in the first place. He'd be working at McDonald's because he wouldn't be able to compete against the corporations in a legal drug marketplace.
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So the guy ADMITS he was "cooking crack with intent to sell" but you'd find him innocent of everything but child endangerment? I guess I just don't buy the "poor defenseless immigrant worker beaten down by the man and FORCED to break the law in order to feed his family" crap...

Since he apparently had 63 rounds in two 40 round mags, what I see is that he couldn't afford to buy those last 17 rounds to put in that rifle he traded crack for in the first place so he could pad his kid's luxurious sofa-bed with a nice firm resting place. Nice use of appropriated fundage. :rolleyes:
 
*in best seinfeld voice*

WHAT ARE WITH BANANA CLIPS? They aren't bananas and they aren't clips!

next thing they'll have to restrict bananas because they have more of an "assault appearance" than other fruit.
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One of Representatives should introduce a bill like that just for laughs. They could add it in to a proposal to ban all guns that have 2 or more of the following:
-Bananna capable of carrying more than 10units of Potassium
-Black color
-Is of the same model as used by a bad guy in a movie.
-Includes both letters and numbers in it's name.

(oops, I'm getting a little away from the 63rnd Mag topic)
 
Think 5 grams of crack is a lot?

There's guys smoking that much before breakfast, and as much as an oz (28 grams) a day. 5 grams is nothing, certainly not enough to make a case for "dealing".
 
Don't laugh... they're out there!

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The Monkey Army

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Think 5 grams of crack is a lot?

There's guys smoking that much before breakfast, and as much as an oz (28 grams) a day. 5 grams is nothing, certainly not enough to make a case for "dealing".
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Reread the article. That's 18 grams he had there. 18 is a lot. And anyone who smokes 28 grams a day is going to be very very high. And run out of money very very fast.

Mike
 
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