AR15/M4 BCM or LMT?

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I'm guessing this question has been asked before, but I can't find anything when searching.

I've only had bolt action rifles for years, and never any semi-auto's. I'm looking to change that by getting an AR15/M4 style rifle.

I like to get the best I can afford, and the BCM and LMT rifles seem to fall into that price range. I've read good things about both.

Can anyone give me a little llowdown on one or the other to help me make up my mind?

Thanks in advance for any replies
 
Well, what is the intended use of the rifle? As in, taking carbine courses, professional duty carbine, gun competition rifle, casual target shooting, etc?

BCM also offers a few more options than LMT; so are you looking at the basic M4 style carbine from BCM, or a different variant?
 
BCM has more options. Both will serve you well. Really for a standard battle carbine the BCM is REALLY hard to beat. Have you checked out the Colt 6920? They can be had at Walmart for 1050 bucks.
 
Ugaarguy's question is important. BCM makes everything from short barreled rifles to full on Mk12 sniper rifle clones.
 
Without digging into the answers to the above questions, I think it's safe to say that any rifle from either company will be a good buy. The LMT rollmark might get you more props from Internet forum commandos. Both companies use top notch materials in the building of their rifles. The real difference will be barrels. And even then it's more hair splitting. Just pick the format you like and go for it.
 
They both offer fine ARs. You wont go wrong with whichever one you buy. I would at the all the options you can get on each and decide which matches your needs the best.
 
some folks (whether sound logic or not) prefer the BCM carrier key over lmt's if memory serves on bcg

both are buy once cry one categories though
 
I'll be using it just for general shooting. Punching paper at 100 yards, maybe some aluminum cans when I go to the quarry.

I was thinking about the BCM mid length receiver with 16" barrel. Not too short and not too long.

both are buy once cry one categories though

Never heard that before. What's it mean? :)
 
"Buy once cry once" just means it's a little pricier in the beginning for quality, but it beats the repeated disappointment of paying again and again for an inferior product.

I highly recommend going mid-length. Besides the gas system the increased sight radius with irons is worth it alone IMO.

If you plan to lug around in carbine classes someday for long hours the LW or pencil barrels are sweet if it's just a paper puncher or your a bench shooter do whatever floats your boat. Me, I have several LW ar's and love them that way, can't stand a front end heavy carbine myself.
 
I looked at the M&P's. Nice rifles. I just think the BCM and LMT have better fit and finish (and maybe internals). That's worth the extra $$ to me. I can't always afford the best, but I'll get the best I can afford.
 
I have a BCM that I got out the door for 1100 bucks. I have a Smith M&P Sport that I got out the door for 649 bucks. The Smith has a better trigger out of the box than the BCM.

I like BCM best for a Tier 1 run it hard AR and prefer it to the LMT, but the M&P Sport IMO/IME is the best AR for the money.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
LMT makes a fine AR but if you're looking at well built using top notch components you really can't do much better than BCM and Colt at the $1100 price point. I have a BCM and a Daniel Defense in that range and both are excellent lightweight ARs.

The S&W Sport is a great choice at the $700+ price point but I went with a PSA with FN barrel and BCM BCG. It's about the same price as the Sport but rivals the BCM.

Colt is a great choice but I prefer midlength gas so went with the BCM, DD and PSA (uppers on my built up lowers).

Anyway, all good choices and if you prefer LMT you'll have nothing to worry about.
 
I looked at the M&P's. Nice rifles. I just think the BCM and LMT have better fit and finish (and maybe internals). That's worth the extra $$ to me. I can't always afford the best, but I'll get the best I can afford.
Fit and finish, no.

Internals, yes.
 
A combat weapon optimized for ruggedness and durability doesn't inherently have "fit and finish" the way an engraved Belgian Browning shotgun has fit and finish. The AR you could leave in the bottom of a canoe and wipe down daily, it wouldn't matter. The Belgian could lose 40% of it's value after the trip.

Between the two brands, the best way to assess which is better for you is to get a large blow up of the roll mark on the lower and examine it carefully. Which looks better to you? Does one have weak artistic elements that might lead to it being thought the lesser rifle? Is one speaking to you as the dominant style aesthetic that communicates what you want others to see when you use it?

There's not much else between them to compare. They are both good rifles, it's a choice of which roll mark you prefer. Especially in light of the fact that the S&W would do the same job and deliver the same results for much less. Since S&W doesn't make the grade, then pick the better of the other two. You can only satisfy a personal perception at that tier, the guns are pretty much the same functionally.

It would be nice if a thousand guys had one, then the other, and reported back in concise numerics telling us how many rounds to failure, which fed more kinds of ammo, etc. That information isn't out there, tho, or at least those that know aren't talking. All you can get on the internet are props from happy owners or long rants from unhappy ones, and even then you have to read between the lines. "My gun won't shoot cheap import or surplus ammo!" isn't a valid complaint when the gun was designed to fire top quality military loads of just one type. Those guns are reliable, it's the operator's error to use junk in them.

Since money is no object, pick the one you like more and shoot it. Doesn't get any simpler than that.
 
And that's the crux of internet information. Two different rifles, sold at two different price points, built to two different standard and both offer identical performance for your intended purpose. And for beyond your intended purpose, for a long time. With only a modest amount of maintenance, which you would have to deal with no matter which rifle you buy.

Sometimes I wonder what a car dealership would be like if it resembled an AR discussion.

Buyer: I'd like to buy a car to take the kids to school and myself to work.

Salesman: In a war zone?

Buy: No, at least hopefully not.

Salesman: If you don't know for sure, you should probably upgrade to the war zone package.


Tirod hits the nail on the head when he says pick the roll mark you like better. I'll add one additional thought. If you can point to guns you already own and say, "I've owned these forever, shoot them perpetually and would never sell them", then you won't regret spending the extra money on a BCM/LMT. If you look at the same guns and say, "I'd shoot that more if I had the ammo", "I'm thinking about trading that gun" or "This gun doesn't really do anything special for me", seriously consider the M&P sport. It will save you money while still doing everything you will use it for. Then in the future if you want to move on, it will be easier to sell locally.
 
Buy once cry once is the way to go if you plan to keep the rifle or are worried about resale should you need to sell it.

Don't buy the rifle for range work only, plan to keep it as a home defense weapon as well because you my need it someday. The other reason to buy quality is that you never know when the government will succeed in banning these rifles. It is likely that you will be able to keep your existing rifle, but you may not be able to buy another.

So it is better to have a good one now, then you don't have to worry.

BCM, Daniel Defense, LMT, Colt, and Noveske (expensive) make fine rifles. If I were you I'd buy a BCM over a LMT. Colt is excellent, but they come in carbine length in your price range.

You want a mid-length gas system because they shoot more smoothly (easier to shoot follow ups), and the parts last marginally longer. Buy a rifle with a 16" mid-length barrel. If you can afford the Hammer Forged (BCM BFH) barrel it will last a little longer, but you will probably never wear a quality rifle out anyway.

You don't need any rails or anything but get the Magpul MOE hand Guard. It is good quality and there are attachments made to fit it.

Good luck.
 
As much as I like the M&P Sport after owning one, if you're price point allows a better rifle that is Milspec, then buy one of the higher end AR15's from BCM or LMT.

BCM might have a little more options in configurations. I recommend their Midlength AR's.

But LMT makes very good rifles also. Read this thread about an "Operator" putting one through its paces with no cleaning, running suppressed and unsuppresed for over 9k rounds:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?100162-A-little-LMT-fun

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I would not hesitate to buy a LMT if a BCM was not available.
 
either will stand up to anything you throw at them. as others have said BCM offers more configurations, but LMT is a quality product.

if you are to only have one ar rifle, buy a top tier and worry not. if you can afford another, the m&p sport is a great bang for your buck to knock around at the range.
 
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