Are All California Semi-Auto Handguns Going To Be Illegal by 2016?

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Nobody in this state seems to know what's going on. Most of what I am going to say I heard from manufacturers reps at the 2014 SHOT Show, which I consider a good source of information.

Looking at the California Department of Justice website, all semi-auto handguns will be removed from the approved roster before 2016.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

To get on the California approved list, these guns need to incorporate the new micro-stamping technology. The company that owns the patent for micro-stamping says the technology is good to go.

But, I talked to people from Smith, Ruger, Glock, Kahr, etc. and everyone told me that when they approach the micro-stamping people for instruction on how to incorporate their technology into the manufacturing process, they never get any solid answers.

So, this really amounts to a ban on semi-auto handguns. It's like California saying it's ok to own a muscle car, but it has to get 2,000 mpg using EPA approved super fuel cells, which are supposed to be available for purchase, but aren't.

The gun manufacturers seem to have the attitude F California. I think that's a very dangerous attitude. We are the most populous state in the USA. Over 38 million people. If California bans semis, can New York and Mass. be far behind? Then what?

I'm amazed there seems to be basically zero concern here, even among gun owners. Are my facts totally wrong? I certainly hope they are!

If you have any facts on the subject, could you please quote your source? Thanks!
 
One problem is CA DOJ isn't giving any guidance on any firearm matters. And the manufacturers have decided to stop submitting handguns for testing to resubmit for the roster (the micro stamping issue).

There are lawsuits about this, and the whole roster issue, working thru the courts (Calguns is all over this).
 
The gun manufacturers seem to have the attitude F California. I think that's a very dangerous attitude. We are the most populous state in the USA. Over 38 million people. If California bans semis, can New York and Mass. be far behind? Then what?
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The gun manufacturers are in the business of selling guns. They WANT to sell guns and they certainly want to sell them where there are a lot of buyers.

The problem is that they don't have unlimited resources to try to comply with California law. At some point, they're going to have to wave goodbye to all those sales and turn their back on CA buyers because CA politicians and voters have made it impossible for them to sell guns in CA without breaking any laws while still making a profit.

When the laws effectively cut off the supply of semi-autos to CA, then a CA citizen can try to sue to get things changed. Maybe the Supreme Court will agree like it did with Heller...
 
Manufacturers will still be able to renew their roster listings as long as they make no changes to that model..........................but as soon as they so much as change the finish, the gun will have to be recertified.

So essentially yes, most semi-autos will eventually fall off of the roster and we will be stuck with a few 1911s and Gen 3 Glocks for as long as Glock keeps selling them.

Eventually the court case against the roster (Pena vs Cid) will be decided in our favor (I am confident of this). Harris and her ilk really are pushing themselves into a corner by enacting this de facto ban.
 
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Manufacturers will still be able to renew their roster listings as long as they make no changes to that model..........................but as soon as they so much as change the finish, the gun will have to be recertified.

So essentially yes, most semi-autos will eventually fall off of the roster and we will be stuck with a few 1911s and Gen 3 Glocks for as long as Glock keeps selling them.

Eventually the court case against the roster (Pena vs Cid) will be decided in our favor (I am confident of this). Harris and her ilk really are pushing themselves into a corner by enacting this de facto ban.
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You are overlooking that the guns on the CA DOJ list all have expiration dates. Eventually, the guns you think are "grandfathered in" will be non-compliant as well.
 
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You are overlooking that the guns on the CA DOJ list all have expiration dates. Eventually, the guns you think are "grandfathered in" will be non-compliant as well.
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Those expiration dates don't mean that the gun has to be re-certified. If there are no changes to the gun model, a simple fee paid by the mfg renews that gun automatically. Any gun model that is altered (in almost any way) is subject to recertification.

Yes, eventually all gun models will go away. But the expiration dates only apply to gun models that have been redesigned, discontinued, or to a mfg who declines to renew.

Not defending roster (I hate it). Just clarifying. Check the Calguns Wikis if or stickys if you don't believe me.
 
Just remember that the CA unsafe handgun laws were made into laws because pro-gun groups did not stand together and only looked out for their own special interests.

Cowboy action shooters first opposed the unsafe handgun legislation. But once they were able to secure an exemption for single-action revolvers, they switched from opposing the legislation to supporting it.
Cowboy action shooters also remained neutral during CA assault weapons legislation and large capacity magazine legislation, since those legislation did not effect cowboy guns and lever-action firearms were exempted from CA large capacity magazine laws.
 
A very simple way to fight this would be to pull a Ronnie Barret and not sell or service any guns for any law enforcement agency in the state. When the cops can't get their guns repaired or replaced things will change. This is in addition to using the court system.
 
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