Are Chicago Cops Selling Guns?

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Gun in massacre linked to 2 cops
Both had owned weapon illegally before killer got it
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By David Heinzmann, Tribune staff reporter. Tribune staff reporter Manya Brachear contributed to this report

August 30, 2003

A day after the family of three men slain this week by a former co-worker decried the lax control of handguns, Chicago police acknowledged that the two last known owners of the gun Salvador Tapia used in his rampage were Chicago police officers, neither of whom had legally registered the weapon.

One of the officers was Richard Schott, who died of a heart attack in 1997 after struggling with a prisoner in the Deering District lockup, sources said. Schott sold the gun to another officer, with whom he had worked closely between 1994 and his death, the sources added.

The Police Department declined to identify the second officer, who died in 2002. Interviews with their families and the gun's previous owner, who has been jailed in the case, have created a trail of possession that ends somewhere between 1994 and 2002, police spokesman David Bayless said.

Police do not yet know how or when Tapia, 36, acquired the gun. Under a court order of protection since August 2001, Tapia could not legally possess a firearm. But he walked into the Windy City Core Supply warehouse at 3912 S. Wallace St. Wednesday morning armed with the Walther PP .380-caliber semiautomatic handgun and an extra clip of ammunition.

Over the next several minutes he shot to death six men, including three members of the Weiner family from the North Shore. In a statement Thursday, family members said Alan Weiner, his brother Howard Weiner and Howard's son Daniel Weiner were killed because of "lax control over handguns in our community."

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives traced the weapon to the Blue Island Gun Shop, which received the gun from the manufacturer in 1966 and sold it to Milton R. Beuck. The last official record of the gun was 1983, when Beuck registered it legally in Chicago.

Beuck told police he had sold it to a Chicago police officer, identified by sources as Schott, at a bar in 1994, Bayless said. The police officer sold the gun to a second officer sometime between 1994 and 1997, according to a friend of the first officer. The second officer died in 2002 and it is unclear what became of the gun, Bayless said.

"It was not registered and it should have been," he said.

On Thursday, police charged Beuck, who is 58 and homeless, with a misdemeanor for failing to keep records of the gun, authorities said. In Bond Court Friday, Cook County Judge Marvin Luckman ordered him held on $100,000 bond and assigned him to the Cermak Hospital division of Cook County Jail.

The high bond was ordered because of the seriousness of the eventual crime in which the gun was used and because there was an outstanding drunken driving warrant for Beuck, said Jerry Lawrence, a spokesman for the Cook County state's attorney's office.

There is an 18-month statute of limitations on the misdemeanor charge, Lawrence said, but because the law requires a gun owner to maintain records for 10 years, Beuck was currently violating the law by not maintaining a record of the 1994 sale through next year.

Beuck allegedly sold the gun to the first police officer, identified by sources as Schott, in a South Side bar where they met, Bayless said. An employee of the bar, who was friends with the officer, told police the officer later sold the gun to the second officer, Bayless said. Efforts to reach employees of the bar were unsuccessful.

Though civilians have been barred from registering newly acquired handguns in Chicago since 1983, peace officers, military personnel and other exempt people still are required to register their guns with the Police Department, said Jennifer Hoyle, spokeswoman for the city's Law Department.

Bayless acknowledged it was distressing that two police officers had violated the city's gun law and contributed to the weapon's illegitimacy. But, he said, Tapia's past behavior made it clear that he would have found a gun somewhere if the Walther was not available.

"Salvador Tapia would have gotten a gun somewhere," he said. The disclosure of the officers' role "also demonstrates we're going to do a thorough investigation documenting the path of this gun every step of the way before it got into his hands."

Alan Weiner's daughter Jamie, 20, said Friday she was troubled to hear that the gun used to kill her father, uncle and cousin was owned illegally by two police officers.

"I want to put an end to the guns ...," she said Friday. "The wrong people have guns."


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"I want to put an end to the guns ...," she said Friday. "The wrong people have guns."

Yup, everyone but the people who actually needed them.


I notice these folks are blaming everybody but the politicos who rendered their family defenseless. Imagine, in a city with an almost total absence of handguns, a psycho can still lay hold of a weapon that had been illegally owned by a couple of cops.

What do you want them to do, Jamie? Make it illegal for people to own handguns where you live? They already did that. Worked like a charm. Half your friggin' family's dead, and you still don't get it. The genie won't go back in the bottle, honey: the bad guys will always have weapons, the cops will never get there in time to do anything but string up some yellow tape and break out the super-size Hefty bags, and, standing over the corpses of your own kinfolk, you still just don't get it. Amazing, the neutron-star-like density of some folks.
 
In a statement Thursday, family members said Alan Weiner, his brother Howard Weiner and Howard's son Daniel Weiner were killed because of "lax control over handguns in our community."
No, Howard and Daniel Weiner were killed because Tapia murdered them. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
I went to grad skul in Chicago. During my 3L I took Forensic Evidence from Professor Kling (of Bill Curtis's show on A&E fame). Prof. Kling would bring in various guest speakers.

One that I will never forget was a "former" Blackstone Ranger gang member. Prof. Kling had helped him in the past and had helped relocate him and get a "straight" job.

One of my fellow students asked "there are no gun shops in Chicago since guns are illegal here. Where do you get your guns?"

Our guest lecturer looked at the guy like he just asked what 2 plus 2 was. In a dead pan voice he said that he could make two phone calls and lay his hands on whatever he needed within an hour. When his father went to prison, the first time, there were over 150 guns hidden in his house. The guns came in with the drugs. Guns were stolen. Guns were purchased from the Chicago PD, etc., et al.

Those that choose to commit robbery, rape, murder, etc. will not be deterred by some silly law prohibiting a tool. However, realize that in Chicago the politicians understand and acknowledge that banning guns does not reduce crime, however it does cement their control over the citizenry. A Chicago/Illinois politician undersands that criminals will always be outside the law. However, the citizens may grow weary of the political classes tyranny and parasitism. That is what they fear there.
 
In a statement Thursday, family members said Alan Weiner, his brother Howard Weiner and Howard's son Daniel Weiner were killed because of "lax control over handguns in our community."

Wrong. Blame the killer and the people who let him out of prison and jail time after time after time.
 
On Thursday, police charged Beuck, who is 58 and homeless, with a misdemeanor for failing to keep records of the gun, authorities said. In Bond Court Friday, Cook County Judge Marvin Luckman ordered him held on $100,000 bond and assigned him to the Cermak Hospital division of Cook County Jail.

Well, at least they have somebody in lockup. This criminal type homeless dude, Beuck, oughta fry for the "eventual crime" his actions in 1994 caused last week.

How can any person in their right mind stay living there? Keep records for 10 years on a gun he sold to a cop?

I'm kinda wondering how they found the "homeless" culprit who clearly was the root cause of this ordeal :scrutiny:

I'm also wondering who, in their right mind, wouldn't have some form of self defense weapon/tool, etc at their place of work, legally registered or not for just such an occasion? Apparently, there's a whole lot of that going around these days.

Oi Vey!

Adios
 
It does sound strange. They track down and arrest a homeless man. They confirm his story of selling the gun to a LEO with a sources. The Leo then sells the gun to another LEO. This story is confirmed by a bar employee, but no bar employees have been reached for questioning. The 2 LEOs in question are dead, one is named the other is not. They have no idea of what happened to the gun after it changed ownership between the 2 LEOs only an approximate time period. They state they are going to track down the ownership of the gun tlll it reaches Tapia. Yeah.....Right!!!!!
Finger pointing has put a homeless man in jail for a senseless law and the rest is nothing more than he say she say evidence.
 
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Has anyone seen any reference to Mr. Salvador Tapia's immigration status? No, I'm not a cold-hearted, racist anglo pig. I'm a taxpayer who is aware that an uncommonly high percentage of perps in our state and federal cans have immigration status documentation difficultes.

All the reports I've seen and read focus on the gun (now there's a big surprise).

Just askin' a simple question.

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Aaarrgh!

In general, what Baba Louie said. In particular, he sold it to a COP! In a BAR! And now HE'S in jail? THERE AIN'T NO JUSTICE! :cuss: :fire:
 
My Grandfather grew up in Chi town and some how the notion that the local cops might be passing guns just doesn't suprise me in the least. Chicago, a criminal's best friend:evil:
 
It has long been assumed by everyone I know that Chicago cops sell guns out of the evidence room. Not all, maybe not most, but enough.

It was proven that the Springfield police department "lost" $11 million worth of guns, drugs, etc. from their evidence lockers a few years ago. They never could figure out how it happened. The theory that some enterprising Springfield cops sold it all was advanced only in unofficial circles.
 
Don, it's a secret that Chicago cops sell guns?!?!:eek: Where? Inside Daley's office?:p

BATFE has had multiple stings inside CPD over the years. Numerous people that I deal with closely, when I ask them "where do you get guns in Chicago?", have told me the "po-po" or "fihvah oh".
 
OK - it's a tired and extremely familiar saying but ...... ''If guns are outlawed ......... then only outlaws have guns''. It says much and will always be 100% true. Not to mention the law abiding man's innate right to self defence.
 
With an administration as corrupt as all the Daleys have been, is it any surprise that the whole system is corrupt. Any decent investigative reporter could blow this wide open. Fear of retribution keeps things like this going on. The solution is simple but won't take place.
 
I am beginning to think that the people who shouldn't have guns are the Chicago PD. There was a Chicago SWAT officer at the Indy 1500 gun show a week and a half ago who was wandering around trying to sell his personal pre-ban AR. So he was guilty of interstate gun trafficking. He could legally sell to a dealer in Indiana, but he was offering it for sale to anyone, even me being a Texas resident. No regard for the law and not even a bit of effort to try to stay legal.
 
Why am I not surprised when events like this happen up state. Of course this is in a town where the voter turn out of dead people is alarmingly high.
 
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