Are Crimson Trace Grips Worth It?

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My Kimber Custom TLE II came with CT grips and Tritium sights. Takes a little getting used to but I wouldn't trade them. I practice with both just to be proficient, although my primary CCW does not have them.
 
I was very lucky to find a used set for $150 for my Smith "J" frame. This is my carry gun and I would never be without them. I see no need to put a set on anything but a carry gun. My "J" frame is my carry gun and I have shot quite a bit using the sights and have a lot more confidence in my ability to use my gun if a situation ever comes up.
 
I've been interested in Crimson Trace grips since they first came out. I never bought a pair because I was disappointed in the quality of the engineering on the ones I inspected. The batteries, wiring, soldering, and switches I looked at were not worth the money and I wouldn't want to trust my life to the reliability of the design/components. That was a long time ago though and I'm glad to see they're introducing new products. Maybe the new designs are an improvement in components and quality. Maybe I'm being too critical of something that's essentially a toy. IMHO shooters would have been much better served if some other company with better design, manufacturing, and marketing talent had held the Crimson Trace patents all these years.
 
Generic Name, That is another reason I don't buy them. With open sights, at least you always have them. Just my luck, as soon as I need the Crimson red dot in a gunfight, the darn thing wouldn't light up.

Then I would have to get used to the open sights mighty quickly--so, I might as well be used to them NOW!

While we are on that subject, I should also be practicing my shots in various low-lighting situations.

I wonder if it is pouring rain out and if they get wet all the way into the connection to the grip frame if they will still light. Has anyone tried theirs underwater to see how they fare getting WET?
 
Inspector asks: I wonder if it is pouring rain out and if they get wet all the way into the connection to the grip frame if they will still light. Has anyone tried theirs underwater to see how they fare getting WET?

Not meaning to flame, but that's a long reach for a reason not to buy them. My CT-equipped handguns are for HD/SD. I don't go wandering around in the rain, or swimming in pools with them. If you don't like them, don't buy them.

Jack
 
Inspector asks: I wonder if it is pouring rain out and if they get wet all the way into the connection to the grip frame if they will still light. Has anyone tried theirs underwater to see how they fare getting WET?

I wonder if you have a mud slide and they get messy...how they work....? GEEEEEESSSSSSS
 
I've used 'em on my J frame since first being exposed to them in a training environment at Andy Stanford's Snubby Summit in December 2005. They make a poor crutch for someone looking for an easy way out, but are a useful adjunct to iron sights- especially when the gun can't be gotten up to eye level before firing. Do a session of Southnarc's ECQC and see how you feel about them then.

Worth it? I sure think so. There might be a chance that little red dot will keep me from having to shoot someone sometime. I'll sure settle for that if it gets me out of paying 100X or more the cost of a set to a defense attorney.

lpl
 
I tried a set on a 1911 and didn't care for them. I don't think they helped me shoot faster or more accurately.

I tried some with a 642 and bought them within a week of trying it. I got shots off way faster and the shots were right where I wanted them.

I have many more years of shooting the 1911, so perhaps I'm just used to finding the front sight more quickly, but on that little snub they helped a great deal.

So for me, they are worth the cost for some of my guns and not for others.
 
Asking how something on a firearm will work if it gets wet is a totally reasonable question.

The OP asked if the grips are worth it. I simply asked a question with respect to durability in inclement weather.

I would rather find out NOW than after shelling out $250+ for them only to find that they may not work in the rain and rain could possibly ruin them beyond any warranty. That is simply why I asked.

Heavy rain is different than swimming with it or tossing it in a mud bog.

Suppose your car gets stuck in a downpour and you have to walk 2 miles in the pouring rain (which I have had to do once, and I was wet when I got home just like I came out of a swimming pool).

Why take it as a personal attack?:rolleyes:

What should I do if my grips get wet? Water will not damage the laser system, even if it is totally submerged. We recommend that you dry the battery compartment within 8 hours after total submergence and make sure no debris have collected on the laser lens.
http://www.lasersightshop.com/lasergrip_faq.htm

There, I found out the answer to my own question.
 
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The only problem I see with laser sights is having to depend on batteries which typically fail when you really need them and placing more faith in your ability to hit with the laser than with the sights. I have seen too many competitors at matches suddenly fail when their batteries go out on the red dot sights. But if you like them.....
 
I practice with a flashlight and get a sight picture with the iron sights. Takes a little longer than daylight, but not much.

I use the red dot for practice, to see how much I pull the dot off when dry firing. I also know the dot is most likely there in case I have to shoot from an awkward position. (I change the batteries before they fail...they're lithium, with a 7 year life. I change them after 2 years.)

So, I'm trying to honor CT's intent (at least, as I interpret their product descriptions), which is to use it as an option, not a replacement for iron sights. I don't believe CT has ever advocated relying on their sights instead of the iron sights. If folks are doing that, well, it may not be the best idea...however, some admit they just flat-out can't see the iron sights anymore. For them, it may be a way they can feel they can still hit what they aim at.

Part of the reason for the flashlight is that the laser doesn't illuminate the target for identification. Oh yeah, you know it's 6' tall and is an unexpected visitor in your house. What if it's your son or nephew and you didn't get the phone call?
 
the fixed iron sights on my beretta 9mm sucks, in low light conditions, they are useless. After installing CTC, I have confidence at what I shot at. I will be installing a pair on my J-Frame Taurus 617 revolver soon. I just purchased a Glock 19 with night sights and they work Great, no CTC will be needed on that gun.:D
 
My thoughts on lasers....

I think a laser can be a very useful tool. Unless you cannot use irons due to vision impairment a laser is NOT a replacement for iron sights and should never be used as such. But... as soon as my weapon clears leather I can, if I choose to push the button, see *exactly* where a shot will hit. My body position does not matter. Strong hand, weak hand, sand or blood in my dominant eye, thug #2 trying to get the weapon away, the dot is always within an inch or two of actual POI, regardless of range. If I can see the dot with either or both eyes I can hit that spot. I also know that if the dot isn't on the bad guy the round IS going to miss and may hit somebody else. Like anything, a laser can fail. That's why it should not be a replacement for iron sights or practice with them. My carry weapon has tritium night sights and a laser. :) A red laser is relatively useless in bright daylight. A green laser is better in daylight but the beam can be seen by the naked eye at night, tracing a line directly to your weapon. A laser is another tool that could be the difference between life and death. For either you, a loved one, or an innocent bystander three blocks away. It does take practice to become proficient with a laser, like anything else. And it can fail, like anything else.


On the subject of Crimson Trace and others: I never liked the feel of lasergrips or the location of the button, which can easily be pressed accidentally with "death grip" under stress. I also found that on a friend's 1911 with CT grips my trigger finger would sometimes block the laser while exercising good trigger discipline. I bought a Lasermax guide rod laser for my XD45C. The on button is in the center of the takedown lever, which is the trigger finger index point that I had previously trained myself for. The "button" is actually a detented sliding shaft, like a shotgun safety. Centered is off, pushed either way is on. The Lasermax is also a pulsed laser, meaning it blinks very rapidly. This makes picking up the moving dot much quicker and also extends battery life. The only downside I've found with this particular laser is short battery life. It will only run about an hour due to it's extremely small size - the whole thing including batteries is contained completely within the guide rod! Batteries are about $4 a set in bulk off eBay. I switch out to "practice batteries" for range work and always keep a fresh set installed for carry.


I suggest that anyone who can afford a laser really ought to get whichever one suits them and Practice! Practice! Practice! If, after putting a couple thousand rounds downrange with the laser you still don't like it, you can sell it on Gunbroker or eBay for 80% of what you paid. I guarantee you're shooting will have improved more than enough to offset the 20% loss you take on the laser itself. You can SEE a flinch or pull in real time with a laser. You can also watch where the POA goes under recoil. You can trace the exact path the weapon takes while drawing, holstering, and changing positions. I've had my wife watch my right thigh for a "flash of red" when I practice a fast draw. Once in a while when I was tired the dot would sweep across the outer inch or two of my thigh. :uhoh: I *never* would have known that without practicing with a laser.


Used properly a laser can be a tactical advantage and I'll take all the advantage I can get. :D
 
Just pick up a J frame S&W for Christmas. After testing one out at the local gun shop, my wife said I needed the one with the laser if she was going to be able to shoot accurately. Knowing she was interested was enough for me to spend the extra. Smith sells them as a package on their 642. I can shoot my Bersa 45 accurately at 10 yrds with a 2" circle with the iron sights. As I get used to the 642 the laser is really helping my control. I will keep it on even after I've mastered the small frame. I have a bum middle finger on my dominant hand and the switch helps me remember to "get a grip" as I retrain that finger. When at the range, I don't have a problem with dot chasing, I point the barrel toward the target and unless I'm not paying attention, the dot is close to my intended POI already.

The comment about being on only at the specific distance for which the laser was set assumes the laser was targeted for exact POI. Mine is sighted in parallel alignment with the sights so the distance to the target doesn't matter. This means the dot is actually off POI by about 1/2" down and to the right, but that's plenty close enough for the need and that 1/2" translates out to any reasonable range.

The key as has already been mentioned several times is PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. Then practice some more.
 
Inquiry re sighting-in with CTG

BobGrand
The comment about being on only at the specific distance for which the laser was set assumes the laser was targeted for exact POI. Mine is sighted in parallel alignment with the sights so the distance to the target doesn't matter. This means the dot is actually off POI by about 1/2" down and to the right, but that's plenty close enough for the need and that 1/2" translates out to any reasonable range.

Could BobGrand or anyone else elaborate further on this? I'm likely to purchase the LG-405 shortly. I've looked at videos re sighting in and understand they're factory-sighted for 50'. I'll have to assume for purposes of my inquiry that at 50' the red dot shows the POI.

Please help me understand what you're saying better-I do understand that you're saying it will be accurate to 1/2" to any (reasonable) range (what does that mean?) WITH YOUR METHOD but I don't understand how you get parallel alignment to the sights unless you do the INITIAL ALIGNMENT with the iron sights and thereafter disregard further adjustments re the red dot ON THE TARGET.

Am I correct?

Update: I think that I understand better having watched the video with the two black 'pasties' (pun intended), with the one to the right (representing the laser position in relation to the bore of the gun) about 1/2" and down about 1" from the other one (representing the bore sight).
 
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The laser is going to be perfectly straight (just like aiming through the iron sites is perfectly straight). You need to figure at what distance you want the laser to meet the bullet.

When you have it adjusted for that distance, other distances will be off by the amount of trajectory for the bullet, just like if you were using your iron sights (except, perhaps off to one side or the other by a very small amount).

If you are aiming at COM on human-size targets, I don't think you need to worry too much if there is an inch or two of variance due to the trajectory of the bullet.

I agree, DHJenkins, what the heck are you talking about (the LIABILITY THING)????
 
the fixed iron sights on my beretta 9mm sucks, in low light conditions, they are useless. After installing CTC, I have confidence at what I shot at. I will be installing a pair on my J-Frame Taurus 617 revolver soon. I just purchased a Glock 19 with night sights and they work Great, no CTC will be needed on that gun.

No you won't. They don't offer 'em for he 617, I already checked for mine...and it's not a J-frame, it's their "compact" frame, which is larger.
 
What's so great about night sights on the G19? If it's pitch black out, wouldn't one be better off with the CTG laser sights?

I don't see where nightsights help all that much because the only thing one may see, without the aid of a flashlight, would be the sights, and if you have a flashlight you could use the iron sights and not need the nightsights (though they're certainly better than iron sights without a laser). Does that make sense?

This shooter purchased LG-405's a few hours ago on sale from Midway. I'll report back after I form my opinions. It will be some time before I make final conclusions but I'll give my initial impressions about a week or so after receipt of them. I hope they maintain their 'zero' after shooting +P in a 442.

And what's this all about shooting bear with a .22WMR? Some kind of joke? Maybe through a rifle...?
 
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After years of shooting and teaching people to shoot, I do find that lasers do serve a purpose. However, I think they should be used by people who have lots of experience using open sights. I say this because if a person is a novice shooter and relies ONLY on seeing that little red dot to place his/her bullet, then they will be surprised if and when the batteries fail. And they do fail. If they are not an experienced shooter and can't use the sights that are conveniently provided on the weapon, then they are more of a hazard to innocent bystanders if they have to fire their weapon.
 
Apparently dry-firing using the laser helps in becoming more proficient using the iron sights, and aids in point shooting, so one may not say there's really any downside to them, IMHO. I'm sold on them, at least in theory. Time will tell.

I'm also tired of outdated and outmoded technology, after 22 years of shooting handguns. I look forward to receipt of my CT laser grips.
 
they are definetly worth the money . . . i know if i seen a dot on me that it would certainly be an intimidating sight
 
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