Are L E Wilson chamber type dies worth changing to ?

[Bw44]

I'm trying to decide whether or not to invest in the equipment to start reloading with L E Wilson dies, K&M arbor press, and all the extras to go with it. I have been reloading for years with RCBS press and standard dies with good success. I am reloading for a .300 win mag that I am shooting out to 1000 yards and I am needing a new set of dies. I could buy a new set of dies like I've been using and save a little money but if there is accuracy to be gained by going a different route then I probably would do that. Anyone have first hand experience with an arbor press and Wilson or Sinclair dies? First hand info would be appreciated.

 

[Walkalong]

I would go one of these routes instead, and make sure your press is up to the task. (Made straight) Nothing wrong with good hand dies though.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/26...eries-bushing-2-die-set-300-winchester-magnum

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/267053/redding-type-s-match-bushing-2-die-set-300-winchester-magnum


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/70...g-full-length-sizer-die-300-winchester-magnum

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/767198/forster-ultra-micrometer-seater-die-300-winchester-magnum

My Redding FL bushing style sizer and Forster seater make extremely staright and accurate rounds in .308.

 

[lightman]

I probably would not go with an arbor press and hand dies unless you have a custom barrel and tight chamber. You might see some improvement with a competition seater like Redding or Whidden sells. This is just my opinion and I have both types of equipment. I've also seen some test that were posted showing little or no improvement between these type of dies.

 

[Bw44]

This particular rifle is built on a Rem. 700 action that's been trued and squared and rethreaded with a Hart 27" short chambered heavy barrel, HS precision stock, it's capable of being more accurate than I am for sure, so I'm leaning toward going with a hand loading setup if for nothing more than to see just what I can get out of it

 

[Bart B.]

Chamber type neck sizing dies were popular when they were thought to produce the most accurate ammo. Proper full length sized cases have proved better because they keep the case body aligned with the case neck when fired cases are resized. Benchrest fols changed to proper full length sizing their cases when they learned the biggest groups they shot got smaller. The tiny ones stayed the same size.

Best way to go these days is to get a Forster full length die they've honed the neck out .002" smaller than that of a loaded round. Close second place dies are full bushing dies from Redding or RCBS with the bushing diameter sized the same way. Sierra Bullets uses Redding full bushing dies for their 300 Win Mag test barrels shooting bullets 190 grains and heavier getting 1/4 MOA accuracy at 200 yards with their best match bullets.

A collet die from www.larrywillis.com to size the case body all the way to the belt helps a lot. People used body dies decades ago on 30 caliber belted magnum cases winning matches and setting records. Such ammo shot as accurate as new cases; believe that or not.

 

[Paladin7]

Personally, I love LE Wilson products, they are made to a standard of quality that is rare these days...

I have an LE Wilson Micrometer Seating die, the LE Wilson Case Trimmer, and LE Wilson Case Gauges...

Here is what I would recommend, that will save you a few bucks and give you great accuracy...

Get the LE Wilson Micrometer Seating Die and Case Gauge for the .300 win mag. You can use your existing dies for the rest.

Good advice from another poster on full length sizing, which is preferable.

I would suggest full length sizing with your existing die, and bullet seating with the LE Wilson die, then crimp using your existing die, or not (your choice).

Also, you don't need an arbor press with the LE Wilson seating die. You can use a mallet...works perfectly.

If you do go for an Arbor Press, check out Harrel's Precision
http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-tooling-arbor-press-by-henry-harrell

Call Harrel's and ask about their press vs the competition.

Hope this helps...

 

[Kaldor]

A collet die from www.larrywillis.com to size the case body all the way to the belt helps a lot.

Thanks for the link on that one. I have a buddy that wants to load 257 Weatherby, and this will help.

I know 4 guys that shoot F class. One of them uses a crazy loading setup, arbor press, etc. One uses RCBS, one uses Redding, one uses Forster if memory serves. The guy with the arbor press doesnt put in any better groups than the guys on the regular presses. Walkalongs info is the way Id go in combination with Barts link for the collet die.