Are powders shaped like they are because they have to be?

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I have wondered about this. Its a given that ball powders meter/flow much better than stick or even large flake powder.

So why don't companies make all their powders in small ball format instead of stick or flake or other larger size?
 
The shape and size of the individual kernals of powder affect the burning characteristics, along with any retardent coating. It also has to do with the manufacturing process. Stick powders are extruded and then cut to length. Ball powders are cut and then rolled.

A lot of gunpowder is manufactured under water and only dried in the final process. This is how they keep plant explosions to a minimum.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
The properties of the propellant are greatly influenced by the size and shape of its grains. The surface of the grains influences the speed of burning, and the shape influences the surface and its change during burning. By selection of the grain shape it is possible to influence the pressure vs time curve as the propellant burns. Smokeless powder burns only on the surfaces of the granules, flakes or cylinders (described as granules for short). Larger granules burn more slowly, and the burn rate is further controlled by flame-deterrent coatings which retard burning slightly. The intent is to regulate the burn rate so that a more or less constant pressure is exerted on the propelled projectile as long as it is in the barrel so as to obtain the highest velocity. Cannon powder has the largest granules, up to thumb-sized cylinders with seven perforations (one central and the other six in a circle halfway to the outside of the cylinder's end faces). The perforations stabilize the burn rate because as the outside burns inward (thus shrinking the burning surface area) the inside is burning outward (thus increasing the burning surface area, but faster, so as to fill up the increasing volume of barrel presented by the departing projectile).[10] Fast-burning pistol powders are made by extruding shapes with more area such as flakes or by flattening the spherical granules. Drying is usually performed under a vacuum. The solvents are condensed and recycled. The granules are also coated with graphite to prevent static electricity sparks from causing undesired ignitions.[11]

This is from wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokeless_powder
 
I also understand that if you alter the shape of a given powder granule, by tumbling loaded ammo for example, you can actually alter the chemical characteristics of the powder load and possibly cause an unsafe condition.
 
I believe the terms are Progressive, Regressive and Neutral burning in reference to the info posted by Edelbrock.
 
Dullh: I'm sorry to disagree but it has been proven that tumbling loaded ammunition will not affect its burning characteristics. It is also a law of chemistry that you can not alter chemical characteristics by any physical means. For example water is still water whether in a solid, liquid, or gaseous state. Detonation(firing) of smokeless powder in a confined space is a chemical reaction, tumbling is a physical activity. I have, along with several friends, have been tumbling ammo for lube removal for over 40 years without the slightest problem. :)
 
It is also a law of chemistry that you can not alter chemical characteristics by any physical means.
Then how do you explain Black Powder. Same composition, but different size grains, different burning rate. Smokeless powder burning rates can be altered by crushing of the grains, as in compressed loads that have to much compression. Or if the coatings have been worn away/altered. Read link i have above.
 
Smokeless powder provided to us for reloading is very stable. It can be tumbled in loaded rounds etc, within reason, with no ill affects. It is very tolerant of moisture and heat, within reason.

It obviously cannot be gound up fine and used, but nothing is idiot proof. :)


Oh yea, the shape and size of powder affects burn rate by changing surface area.
 
The big ammo manufacturers tumble live rounds to polish them. I do it. It's an old wives tale that they will go off or there will be some ballistic catastrophe. I just roll my eyes and go on with life.
 
I believe the burn rate change in different sizes of blackpowder is due to the surface area to volume ratio. The larger pellet has more surface area but a much larger volume than the smaller pellet, taking it longer to burn completely.

For example, in a sphere the surface area is a squared function while the volume is a cube. For a 1" radius circle the ratio is 3, for a .5" radius the ratio is 6, and for a .25" radius circle the ratio is 12. Granted the powder isnt a perfect circle but I think the concept still applies.

Luke
 
243winxb: To simply answer your question, blackpowder is a MIXTURE of three chemicals and smokeless powder is a complex organic COMPOUND. By centrifugal force or tumbling you may separate black powder into it's base chemicals very easily since each chemical has a different formula weight(density). This can not be done with any type of smokeless powder by any ordinary means. You are trying to compare apples with oranges and it doesn't work. :)
 
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Sorry, I guess I have been proven wrong. You can do what you want; I see no point in tumbling loaded ammo. Each to his own, I guess. They're your fingers and faces, not mine!
 
I am wondering- Would it be possible to tumble the propelant so much it would break into smaller pieces and change the burn rate? Or possibly wear off the retardant coating and that change the burn rate? I have not polished any loaded ammo unless I was going to pull the projectiles and remanufacture it with a different load.
 
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