Are we our worst enemy?

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We as a gun owning population do not understand why some would prefer a less than lethal (read as ineffective) means of defense. some people are truly scared of gun owners because we have "the power" to end a life. Are we scaring the hearts and minds that we wish to change. As a basic example, i offer this.... my sister was using her toilet at 5 o'clockish in the morning. A hand opened and entered her bathroom window. She yelled for her boyfriend. He did not wake. She yelled at the intruder and "it" ran away.
 
Sheeple are scared of everything. Not my concern.


p.s. Tell your sister that perhaps she should keep her bathroom window locked. It's a dangerous world out there, you know.
 
Those who fear due to ignorance can be reached.
Those who fear due to a medical condition (hoplophobia) are beyond the pale.

Try to educate the former, don't waste time with the latter, learn to tell the difference.

P.S. I don't understand what the "sister" story has to do with the question.
 
going to be a damn shame when that intruder has a little less fear and comes inside, or finds another point of entry and has an indoor confrontation.

a weapon, regardless of type is just a layer of security. good locks and good practices are still required, as is mentioned frequently on these forums.
 
There are 3 groups of people who are anti-gun: 1) those who don't trust themselves because they think they are inept & irresponsible, 2) those who don't trust any one else because they think they are inept and irresponsible (of course there is much overlap here), and 3) those for whom it is all about control.

Those who are scared of themselves may deserve some pity, and you can try to convince them to grow some cajones and be responsible for their own security (unless it is realized that they really ARE inept!). Those who are scared of everyone else, but still don't see the wisdom of arming one's self in defense :banghead:, who won't see the futility of gun laws :scrutiny: , who depend on someone else for their protection :barf:, will never get it (these are often the same types who want GWB impeached, but think only the govt should have guns:confused: ). The 3rd group?...well...they should :fire: in :evil: .

Very stupid to let someone else's fears be used as justification for the disabling of everyone else's natural right.
 
Are we our worst enemy?

No. While I cannot speak for you guys, I am my best friend when it comes to swaying people to become pro-gun.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
In God We Trust

Our society bets millions of pieces of paper daily that say "In God we trust". We can be caught up in the "rapsody" of our love for things like guns and our instictive need for security. I'm sure there are a good number of bloggers on the High Road that tote more guns to Dairy Queen than Rambo could have ever thought of carrying. They are usually the "flashers". Although they have the right to do so, sometimes I wonder what they are expecting to happen all of the time and I personally don't possess the that kind of urgency to pack heat. I believe if my number is up, God didn't have anything more for me to do, whether I die in a car crash or a gun fight. However, I'm not going out without a fight and while I still have the right to legally own fire arms to protect my family and me from harm, I will have what it takes to defend us. At the first sign of a hand coming though the window, the yelling was the smartest thing to do. Now one is stuck with the duty to further enhance home security...i.e. GUNS, locks, dogs, alarms, what ever it takes. I would like to learn more about the legal side of killing some bastard that is trying to take from or harm my family. The way I see it is that the gamble is too great (and I don't gamble) not to have some leathal form of home defense and leave the rest up to what the money says: In God we trust.
 
Such as using the screen name "cold dead hands?"
The connotation of which is, I think, that one would be so willing to stand up for his right to keep and bear arms as to die defending it. Is there something wrong with that, something which would make us our own worst enemy. I would think not, I find it a laudable concept.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
Perfectly laudable...

within the gun community.

But if you watched the network news during Charlton Heston's presidency of the NRA (and afterwards), all you'd see is Heston holding up a rifle saying, "from my cold dead hands."

The non-gun owning public's reaction was less than laudable.

What we do or say in public, and even on public lists like these, can have a negative impact. That's my only point.

YMMV
 
Chesty P,

I disagree about the "non-gun owning public's" reaction. How many non gun owners did you ever speak to about this. I have spoken to quite a few, as I have some limited but active interest in gun rights and promoting the shooting sports and gun ownership. The response as depicted on the media was usually the response given by the anti-gun crowd, not the non-gun ownership crowd, and there is quite a distinction between the two at many times. Many rabid anti-gunners actually own guns (Kerry for example, and Feingold has armed guards). Many non-gunowners are pro 2nd amendment and RKBA (please note there is a distinction but we need not discuss it in this thread).

The negative responses, that you saw on the news, were selected by the media as the responses the rabid left wing media would show. I have had non-gun owning associates and friends actually ask me about C.H. and that particular statement as an NRA slogan. When explained to them, they readily understood what it meant and most were not offended by it, not turned off by it, and were rather amazed that regular citizens would be willing to defend their own rights, and the rights of all U.S. citizens with such a degree of dedication. They also realized that people like Kerry are out and out hypocrites regarding their stances on firearms ownership, and that folks like Schumer, Clinton and McCarthy - here in NY are absolutely in outer space when it comes to such. As for the media and these rabid anti-gunners using all they can to try to take away our rights - they will continue to twist any argument we bring up to fit into their own attack of us simply because they are political wackos, seeking the votes of other wackos. That does not mean that things we say make us our own worst enemies, that means the other side will twist whatever we say and portray it to their own best advantage. Should we shut up altogether, or should we keep up the good fight while getting our message out to the public? I choose the second option.

Of course if we choose actions like those alleged actions of rock singer John Popper (see: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257638,00.html), who was reportedly arrested after being stopped in a vehicle allegedly traveling 111 mph, that allegedly had illegal narcotics in it, and that allegedly had several secret compartments all with guns in them - well that is also something that defeats gun owners. Add to that that the vehicle was also allegedly rigged with emergency flashing lights, a siren, and a public address system - and maybe the public - even some very pro gun people - would see this as bizarre - not to mention possibly illegal.

So as to being our worst enemies, well maybe in certain ways we tend to be just that at times, but I think not through use of such a slogan. For example, when we think of non-gunners as anti-gunners, yes we are being self defeating. When we even think that all anti-gunners are our enemies and that we cannot explain ourselves and convert anti-gunners, then self defeating likewise. When we do not explain ourselves, our position, and firearms rights to non-gun owners, well same again. When we act irresponsibly while in the possession of firearms, or when we exhibit bizarre behavior, then same again in caps. Me - I prefer to do otherwise. I try to not seem to extreme while remaining adamant about the RKBA, try to explain my views to others, try to sway other folks to our side in the gun thing, and so on.


All the best,
Glenn B:)

By the way, just as an add on - once the movie '300' comes out, and people in general get a load of the phrase - Molon Labe (which by the way more correctly translates to "having arrived, take them" as opposed to "come and take them" but I guess sort of almost means the same thing as a taunt) what will happen to one of the more recent pro-gun slogans. My bet is the media may catch on and make a big stink over it. So let them, but explain the meaning in the way we mean it, to those who are easily confused by the media.
 
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