Are we pushing our luck on recalls?

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We had a major victory when Colorado was able to recall the 2 anti-gun senators. It set an example to rest of the world and put anti-gun politicians on watch. It put some anti-gunners on the run. Currently, Colorado is attempting to recall a senator that they failed to bring to recall previously.



However, if we push our luck and attempt to recall some that are close we could actually lose and that would give anti-gunners confidence that they can continue their policies and that the pro-2nd Amendment isn't as strong as they think. If we just left it at the 2 recall victories we can continue with the precedent that the pro-2nd Amendment crowd is too strong to fight and can actually make a difference.



Do you think we are pushing our luck on some recalls?
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I think it's a damend if we and damned if we don't kind of situation. As far as I can tell Hickenlooper has taken a hit in the polls recently because of what happened in Colorado over the gun laws. Not entirely based on guns but certainly enough of it.

The antis are getting ticked, take a look over at Democratic Underground sometime. The sites owner had to change the General Discussion policies back to not allowing the discussion of guns because so many of the antis went all rabid over the right to bear arms. I mean seriously, they were proposing control that would have made Hitler and Himmler weep with envy. More than a few agree with Travon's Amendment that's been going around.

If we stay quiet those of us on the fence and in the closet won't come forward. We'll feel like we are the minority and while we aren't the majority because of a whole host of societal issues (single mothers, poverty, laziness, etc.), we are not that small of a minority. If we vote pro-gun every time, avoid voting for Libertarians and other third parties, we can still make a come back and secure our rights. The antis were scared for nearly twenty years because of their shennanigans with the 1994 AWB. Now we need to put the fear back into them, and it won't be easy.

We need to pull out all the stops on recalls where it looks like we even have a slight chance. Bleed the antis war chests dry as much as possible. Keep them scared, and in time hopefully replace with them Americans that understand their duty to uphold and preserve the Constitution.

We need the SAF to keep up its pressure and keep fighting the smart tactical and strategic legal battles it has been doing. We need the NRA to lobby like mad. And we need to support grass roots groups in their recalls efforts.

Come December 21st I'm cutting a $50 check to the NRA (already a member, already donate $50), a $50 check to the SAF (first time donating), and then I'll put $50 aside for the next recall effort. It's only a $150. It's a cheap price to pay to preserve our freedoms.
 
We certainly need to pick our battles but we also need to understand that we won't win every one of them. I commend the CO folks, and I'll continue to send them my support.
 
We need to hit them constantly with recalls, litigation, appeals, etc... We need to keep them on the defensive at the very least keep them fighting for their own political existence and not allow them time to come up with newer more egregious legislation; anti-gun or otherwise.
 
Pushing our luck?!? Folks, anti gunners are gonna keep trying to take your guns and ammo no matter what you do or don't do. So the only thing to do is to fight back. That senator deserves to be recalled. So fight her. Fight every politician who attacks your 2nd amendment rights.
 
No, Fight like if you don't recall her the world will end. Do this each and every time, regardless of chances. These people are fighting that way, it's time to turn it back on them. It's also time to make the manufacturing and import of fully automatic assault weapons legal again and get rid of the ridicules tax.
 
The main thing right now is to get enough recall petitions signed to get it on the ballot.

(1) If you live in her district, you can sign the petition, as well as (2) and (3) below.

(2) If you live in Colorado, you are qualified to act as a petition-gatherer as well as (3) below.

(3) If you do not live in Colorado, you can still donate money to the cause. See:

https://causes.anedot.com/recall-hudak-too

This last option is a slight problem since, like myself, some of us like to maintain as much anonymity on the gun boards as possible.

But since the "recall folks" expect to be very heavily audited in respect to political contributions, it is necessary to give correct information about one's address, phone number, occupation, and employer. (This "employer" bit is necessary for the auditors to determine if you were "forced" to donate involuntarily by the boss.)

This was a hurdle for me when I made my donations but I balanced my desire for anonymity against my desire to recall this politician, so I "bit the bullet" and filled out the information required like a good little boy. For my reasons, it is summed up in their home page:

http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/

Ladies and gentlemen, let's remember that there are several "victories" involved here.

The first is that the recall effort itself is a victory, as shown by the fact that the on-street petition drives are drawing "counter-protestors" to them who ring cowbells and wave signs. Apparently Ms. Hudak is running scared. That, my friends, is a victory right there.

It advises our "statist" politicians everywhere in the country, local or otherwise, that it is time to review their attitudes about what they can get away with in terms of advancing their own personal agendas.

Thus, even if the petition drive fails... we win!

Second, that point will penetrate even deeper [STRIKE]if[/STRIKE] when it actually makes it to a ballot... we win even bigger!

Third, [STRIKE]if[/STRIKE] when Ms. Hudak is ousted from office, we then reclaim control of the hyper-leftist Colorado Senate. Home run!

<cue fireworks display>

So do what you can, wherever you live, in or out of her district, in or out of Colorado, instead of just sitting back and observing.

Terry, 230RN
 
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The Colorado recall had huge positive ramifications around the country. There were other states getting involved too..., Rhode Island and California come to mind.
 
Success breeds success.

Each victory has to be taken for what it is; a single step on the long march.

If this sounds familiar, it's how the left (socialists, progressives, communists, etc.), did their damage to freedom in the beginning. Mao's long march didn't start at Beijing. Neither will recovery of individual rights and freedom.

There are resources out there to assist in the ongoing battle, but like any resources, they are scarce at times. In those instances, the fight must be done wisely. The protectors of freedom will need to be individuals. The progressives are in lock step with group think. That's why people like George Soros and Michael Bloomberg are effective. They own the "Kool Aid" bunch, and they get a lot of free press.

There aren't going to be any round-house knockouts.
 
Anyone fighting to not lose rather than fighting to win will always lose. Read the history regarding the Union Generals at the beginning of the Civil War and you will be able to understand the concept. If you wish to further your understanding then read "The art of War" by Sun Tzu.
 
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What else are we going to do? Revolt? I don't see that happening. Therefore, make them fear the election consequences of any anti-gun vote. It's a good thing when they're aware of who controls things.
 
We did this topic in Activism Discussion when the first run at recalls in CO took place and the short answer was "it depends upon whether there's an actual chance of success".

In Hudak's particular case she may resign to allow her party to appoint someone to serve out the rest of her term thereby blocking the possibility of a successful recall. That's a moral victory for our side if she quits instead of being recalled even if it isn't the total victory of tossing her out and changing the power balance in the CO Senate.

You can debate endlessly about whether there's an realistic chance of a particular recall effort succeeding, but they're all gambles and you have to play the odds.
 
One of my favorite quotes says it all on this subject:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. " - Edmund Burke

I will continue to give to each recall regardless of what state or how remote the possibility of success.

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We must be relentless because the antis are relentless.
 
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One of my favorite quotes says it all on this subject:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. " - Edmund Burke

I will continue to give to each recall regardless of what state or how remote the possibility of success.
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Amen.
 
No politicians need to know they vote for gun control at their own political peril. Now we don't want to waste resources on lost causes, but if theres a decent chance at a recall we should take it and be happy with the message that even forcing a recall sends.
 
^ So there goes Wisconsinites' right to petition the government for redress of grievances?

Rawther, I think the Wisconsin legislature went too far.

Which is the crux of the matter here in Colorado.

I can't seem to recall where I got that "redress of grievances" language. Somebody help me out there. I know it ain't original with me, but I can't find the quote. :evil:

Terry
 
In every fight I've ever been in, I kept hitting the other guy until he was no longer inclined to hit me.

Are the anti gun people still hitting us?

There's your answer. Keep recalling, writing, voting, donating time and money, and obstructing them at every turn.

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I am a rape counselor.

Senator Hudak needs to go. If you are wondering what I mean, read this:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_2273189...ed-rape-victim
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Honestly, I may have stayed out of it. Then I watched that video of Hudak berating a rape victim. It was at that point that I decided that though I've never seen CO other than flying over it, I needed to donate to the effort to unseat her. Guns aside, the woman is wholly unsuitable to serve as an elected representative.
Even if the $50 donation I was able to raise by selling something doesn't result in her losing her seat, at least I'll have the honor of saying I stood against a bully and failed rather than saying I did nothing because I was a coward.

If you are the kind of person who cheers when someone makes the "from my cold dead hands" speech but you won't even send $10 toward this because you're scared of someone knowing who you are, then I'd be ashamed to be counted with you.

Grow some cajones and make a donation. If you're registered on this site, "they" already know who you are. Make a donation and show them you have a little steel in your spine.
 
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Gun owner's rights have been an issue too easily thrown under the bus. The success of the two recalls we've pulled off has hopefully sent a message to the political establishment that we aren't going to take it lying down. Hopefully this message will resonate especially loud with the RINOs who are supposed to be on "our" side.
 
^ So there goes Wisconsinites' right to petition the government for redress of grievances?
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Correct. It is illegal to even HOLD a sign of dissent against the current Administration of the fake Tea Party, here.

It is illegal for you to gather with more than 11 people on State of WI property w/o a permit. ( First it was gatherings of 4 or more, then it was changed to 20 or more, now it is at 12 persons or more.)

It will soon be impossible to recall ANY elected or appointed person, w/o them having been convicted of illegal activity or "unethical" behavior.

Now, there is ZERO re-dress of grievances as there has to be an "investigation" into what are now termed to be allegations, and those investigations have ZERO transparency as they MIGHT be affected by "national security". No kidding.

Recall as MANY as you can before your state Adopts this legislation, which is being used here in WI, to protect the elected corporate fascists. (Ran on a Tea Party platform and have now exposed themselves to be corporate puppets, pushing the NWO agendas of the UN, NAFTA, and the Trans-Pacific Partnerships.)
 
Powder: I would urge you to get involved in the Republican Party at the local level if you really want to push back. I am on the County Party Executive Board and we confront the state party on policy items frequently. Politicians are usually not extremely intelligent nor are they usually well versed on issues or opinions that exist outside of the political echo chamber that surrounds them. Officials higher up the food chain will usually listen or make time for you if they know that you are giving your time for he political apparatus. I know that our county group would be in front of the capitol if the leadership tried passing a load of bolshevik excrement like that.
 
Like HSO said, you need to weigh the odds. I'm not sure about the guy they recalled in the Springs, but here in Pueblo Giron was starting to alarm even some of the local Democrats with her support for various pieces of (non-gun control) legislation - drivers' licenses for illegals, for example. That was a big help, along with the support of the local paper which is fairly conservative. And the fact that she was just plain arrogant to the pro-2A folks at her "town hall" meetings didn't hurt a thing, either. So really she went down because of a combination of things. If your local anti-gun legislator is immensely popular and has the support of all the local press, you can probably expect that your recall effort would be "challenging", to say the least. Most people aren't single-issue voters, IMHO, and they've got to be mad on several different levels to pull off a successful recall.

As for Hudak up in the metro area, I don't really know much about her - maybe she's unpopular on other issues, but the fact that the media up there is willing to lean on her a little is an encouraging sign. And, I think that the recall up there is kind of riding on the success of the efforts down here - and that's a very good thing. Got to keep the momentum once it starts - success breeds success!
 
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