Arkansas Gov. Huckabee discusses immigration reform, gun rights

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Arkansas Gov. Huckabee discusses immigration reform, gun rights
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LEXINGTON, S.C. - Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Monday the federal government has done a "lousy job" protecting America's borders because the country lacks a practical way to let people in legally.

"We simply have not even attempted to create a legal means" to process the people who want to come here and the people we need to run the economy, the Republican governor told about 50 people at a fundraising luncheon for the Lexington County GOP.

When people say illegal immigrants take jobs from Americans, Huckabee said he asks them to name someone "who cannot get a job because a Mexican illegally here has taken the job they want."

"If that's the case, if you can get me their name and phone number by five this afternoon, I can have them making a bed, plucking a chicken, tarring a roof or picking a tomato by the morning at 8 o' clock," he said.

No one has been able to give him a name, he said. Illegal immigrants have jobs Americans don't want, he said.

America has a right to know who's here and why, he said. But federal immigration laws "are so antiquated and the process so cumbersome, it would take some people 10 to 20 years to go through the legal process."

Creating a system to process people properly and thoroughly would cost money, but certainly less than it would cost to "round up 13 million people and deport them," Huckabee said.

He said he doesn't believe in "blanket amnesty," but illegal immigrants here should be given a way to pay a fine and apply for legal status. They should be required to speak English and pay taxes, he said.

He said the debate has gotten too emotional.

"It's a problem we can confront, but we can't confront it if all we're going to do is stand on opposite sides of the room screaming," he said.

"Tonight, when you get home, get on your knees and thank God you live in a country people are trying to break into rather than a country people are trying to break out of," Huckabee said. "If we start there, we might have a possibility of getting a solution."

The luncheon was one of several South Carolina stops the potential presidential contender planned for Monday and Tuesday, which is when he will raise money for Karen Floyd, the GOP nominee for state education superintendent. Gov. since 1996, Huckabee said he will wait until after he leaves office in January to decide whether to run for president in 2008.

Responding to an audience question, the avid sportsman said he would support a national "right to carry" bill that would require states to recognize concealed weapons permits issued by other states.

"That way, we could be anywhere," he said, showing the audience the weapons license in his wallet. He then boasted of killing an antelope Saturday from 250 yards in the One Shot Antelope Hunt in Lander, Wyo.

Though he's a hunter, he said the Second Amendment is not about hunting. "It's about protecting yourself, your families," and making sure government never tries to overrun its people, he said.
 
Some people who studythe matter believe he will be the next nominee.
 
I have had to change job fields several times since 1986. I used to finish concrete but now{thanks to "undocumented workers" that job only pays about 9-10 per hour} I used to run book binding equipment but "the undocumented" have driven the wages down to 7-8 per hour.
Have swung a hammer but framing houses is now a 8-10 dollar an hour job.
Americans used to do the jobs the Mexicans are doing, and did them at a livable wage. When you have 15-20 illegals living in a two bedroom, paying 50 bucks a month in rent, they can afford to make 7-8 dollars an hour.
So dont tell me that they are doing jobs that Americans dont want:cuss:
 
I am a native of Arkansas.

I remember Huckabee from waaaaay back.

I was a resident assistant at a dorm at the Univ of Arkansas back when Huckabee was still just a Baptist minister from a Fayetteville church and he came to speak at the dorm about the portrayals of religious folk in then-current TV shows.

He wasn't impressive back then, either.

He became guv by default, when Jim Guy Tucker got convicted in Whitewater related stuff.....yeah, you know, Whitewater that wasn't anything big and didn't matter, but sure 'nuff landed a lot of folks still in Arkansas in the pokey.........funny how none of it ever got on either Slick Willy or Hillary.......

Huckabee is nicknamed here in Arkansas as "The Huckster" and one columnist calls him "His Huffiness."

Huckabee is not surprisingly self-righteous.

His nickname used to be "Double Wide" but he went on a health kick and lost over 100 pounds.

He has shown his self-righteous health Nazi side in all sorts of ways in Arkansas, up to and including his sneaky, low-down total smoking ban in buildings that do any sort of public business that was secretly attached to the rear end of a bill at his bidding and passed in the dead of night.

He has been accused of firing Arkansas public TV folks for airing views counter to his own.

He comes off in public as reserved, quiet, and an almost silly "aw-shucks" type, that is until he gets on a tear about losing weight, and forcing public schools to not have soda machines on campus anywhere.

He may "talk the talk" on national issues, but my opinion is that he is a very small man on the inside, and seeks control of the smallest details.

He deserves to have complete and total control. He knows better. He is smarter than you are. He, after all, lost over 100 pounds and ran in a marathon.

He'd be sort of a like our first Oprah, health-nazi, Baptist preacher Pres.

But I don't see how he could possibly get votes from anyone.

Huckabee is NOT your man.

Trust me on this one.

I'd rather chew off trigger finger before voting for a Dem for any office, and I would be very reluctant to vote FOR the Huckster.

And I've seen him for a long, long time down here in Arkansas.

hillbilly
 
The Huckster is a gun-friendly guy.

I'll give him that.

But I just think he would be an awful president.

hillbilly
 
"Americans used to do the jobs the Mexicans are doing, and did them at a livable wage. When you .."
Similar thing. There used to be a lot of guys who made a subsistance living mowing yards, trimming trees and stuff. They can't compete with the illegals. Like, a whole truck load of immigrants will debatch across a yard and have the job done in fifteen minutes for super cheap.
 
Similar thing. There used to be a lot of guys who made a subsistance living mowing yards, trimming trees and stuff. They can't compete with the illegals. Like, a whole truck load of immigrants will debatch across a yard and have the job done in fifteen minutes for super cheap

Welcome to Capitalism at its worst (or best)... depending on your perspective.
 
hoji said:
So dont tell me that they are doing jobs that Americans dont want. :cuss:

The way I see it, you've turned down jobs finishing concrete, running book binding equipment and framing houses. :banghead:

I'm going to keep saying this: If the American Worker cannot compete with an unskilled laborer -- legal or no -- who barely speaks English, the problem is with the American Worker, not with the "other guy."

1. I have no issues with the Huckster's stance on immigration or guns.
2. He'd make a crappy President.
3. I don't see illiterate illegals competing for positions in Rocket Science.

crazed said:
Welcome to Capitalism at its worst (or best)... depending on your perspective.

Exactly. I recommend having some marketable skills. That's the best defense. :scrutiny:
 
hillbilly

Is correct.

Remember how Clinton said what people wanted to hear? Remember how everyone liked the persona Clinton had in media?

Huckabee does the same exact thing. He does not have quite the charisma, but he has that "sweat and cry" and fill the collection plate" talent. Oh yes indeed!

Huckabee away from public view, just like Clinton, do not cross him, hold onto your wallets, and and them "tithe" envelopes get lost, and rediscovered in some of the strangest policitial critter pockets.

Remember who all is in the NW corner of the State. Take note of the various "concerns" of persons being employed by these companies that are not US citizens, are not going thru the process to become US citizens.

We do have plenty of GOOD folks, that have immigrated here, that are now US citizens and other going thru the legal process to become US citizens. Good folks, productive, contributing and they hate what what is going on with those companies and those persons not from the US pulling the stunts they pull.

Other areas of the state , have companies , and "employees" doing the same thing.

Huckabee sounds good in media, better sniff it before you buy it - it may be rotten, AR has been know to sell a lot of rotten media to folks in AR and across the nation. They sent one fella to a Big White house, and a whole slew of others - some later ended up dead, or in Graybar Motels.

How quick folks forget...


Give the people what they want to hear - steal the votes, steal the money and steal freedoms.


Winthrop Paul Rockefeller passed away. He was Lt Gov. He would have been elected Gov, and many are so sad for his family now, and very concerned for the future of AR.
 
Alot of citizens who still do those jobs just do them in an illegal manner. They do them while drawing disability and pay no income taxes. Cash you know. Also the person paying pays no SS or MC taxes. Disability is a much abused system. It makes no sense most of the time. What you or I would consider disabled is not what the .gov says is disabled. I know. I live in Arkansas. I grew up around many young men on disablilty that always worked odd jobs for cash and drank and procreated alot. Nothing to see here. Move along. Keep the idiots with enough of my tax money that they do not rob me blind. That is at least what my mother said about these types of "white trash". This from a woman who grew up in a house with no elec, running water, floor or windows and with a single mom.
 
Hmm... just think, for a minute... if all of the illegals get citizenship status, then they'll have to be paid minimum wage. Where is the benefit of cheap labor at that point?
 
For a moment let's concede--which I don't--that we need some "cheap labor." You telling me that we need that cheap labor outside the agricultural industry? Americans can't cut meat, pluck chickens, work restaurants, hotels, and car washes? Can't build houses? And are you telling me that we have right now 20 million-plus illegals working underground but we also need another two, three, four million more EVERY YEAR to refresh and INCREASE the pool? What arrant nonsense!

This is not about cheap labor but cheapening the nation in the service of pimp capitalism. The rest of us are subsidizing this meretricious caricature of capitalism and in the course of that creating a new breed of socialism by another name. Call it plantationism. I don't know about you, but I don't want The Invisible Hand grabbing me by the shorthairs.
 
"Americans used to do the jobs the Mexicans are doing, and did them at a livable wage. When you .."
Similar thing. There used to be a lot of guys who made a subsistance living mowing yards, trimming trees and stuff. They can't compete with the illegals. Like, a whole truck load of immigrants will debatch across a yard and have the job done in fifteen minutes for super cheap.

You should also be blaming the Americans who hire illegal immigrants and stuff them in trailers for less than minimum wage. Who's more at fault here, the people trying to make a living(albeit illegally) or the guy trying to squeeze every penny for more profit (also illegally)? What do you think is easier to do, build a great wall of Mexico on the border or have tighter labor regulations?

I believe that yes, the border DOES need to be controlled better, but jeez there's a second party who are as much at fault as those crossing. Where are the lynching mobs targetted towards these business owners who abuse immigrants?
 
Huck is stumping for Huck.

Once he gets whatever Political goal he is wanting - he will forget all about anyone in AR, except buds he keeps in the loop and they him for personal gain.

This ain' t rocket science.

Clintons did it. They care not one whit about anyone in AR except the Poltical Machine they are still a part of.

Take a look at your Politicians, your State's History, and what folks "said" and contrast with what they actually "did". Now take a look at the ones that once elected and climbed the ladder , that "promised" to never forget you - how quickly you were forgotten.

Stumpin' For Self.
 
Hillbilly & SM, I grew up in Arkansas and still have relatives who live there. They are involved in politics and they agree with your asessments of Huckabee. And my relatives are Republicans.

FWIW.

L.W.
 
hoji,

There is a way to deal with illegals that become a trouble.

I used to work a job where they routinely hired illegals. I really didn't care much at all back then about illegals. Until they started developing the lovely little attitude that some Mexicans have. Once that happened, I discreetly took a name and how to get in contact and handed it over to a friend in the INS. ALL the illegals at work would be gone for a while, and the ones who had become arrogant and rude never came back. It works nice, try it next time they come and try to drag down the pay at your job.

As for this whole 'jobs American's won't do crap, you neglect a key piece of capitalism. They are coming in, illegally, and doing jobs Americans won't do at that price.
 
This guy is another Al Gore. Panders to gun rights and conservative issues locally. Get this guy on the national stage, and he's another Clintonista.


He seems to use carefully chosen words. These are not the words of a true pro-gunner. Those are the words of wolves in sheep's clothing. People from Arkansas obviously can't tell the difference.

Arkansas is one of those red states that can go blue just to back their own idiot at the national level. It happened in 1992.
 
As for this whole 'jobs American's won't do crap, you neglect a key piece of capitalism. They are coming in, illegally, and doing jobs Americans won't do at that price.

So the problem in your view isn't that Mexicans are competing for low-wage jobs, it is that Mexicans have an unfair advantage in the competition because they are not subject to the same restrictions as Americans?

If that is the case, then isn't setting up a process where they can come into the United States legally a lot better than the current system of trying to make them even more illegal? In fact, it seems to me that one reason they can compete on unfair terms is because that fear of deportation means they rarely report employers who abuse the system by hiring them. The bill making illegal immigration a felony should have been titled "The 2006 Subsidy To Employers Of Illegal Immigrants To Reduce Labor Costs"
 
If that is the case, then isn't setting up a process where they can come into the United States legally a lot better than the current system of trying to make them even more illegal?

Absolutely, 100%, accurate and dead on! :D

The only person this may hurt is the American Worker with zero skills. "Zero skills?" Hey, whose fault is that?

Fear, I tell you, this is all about FEAR. :banghead:

Afraid of someone taking your job? Get some marketable skills.

I don't see competition in Rocket Science. :fire:

Ezekiel said:
I'm going to keep saying this: If the American Worker cannot compete with an unskilled laborer -- legal or no -- who barely speaks English, the problem is with the American Worker, not with the "other guy."
 
I'm another Arkansasn who is very lukewarm about Huckabee.

There's a lesson to be learned from Clinton: small state governors -- and maybe some big state governors -- are untested when it comes to the pressures to compromise at the national level. Until someone has some national experience, and we see how well they can hold their own, and be true to their principles (if they have any), under the pressure of national politics, be careful, and beware.
 
If that is the case, then isn't setting up a process where they can come into the United States legally a lot better than the current system of trying to make them even more illegal?

Bart,

There is already a process for entering legally. These people do not go through it. They deserve to be executed for invading America, not rewarded. I am going into the health field, I am not worried about MY job. I highly doubt an illegal with an RN is going to come in here. However, thanks to illegals who did not get health screened, antibiotic resistant TB is coming back in America. And that is just one example.

Our border should be totally sealed. We already have a process for people to enter this country, and it should be left alone, or tightened. Just because half the world wants to come here doesn't mean we should let them.
 
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