armalite or springfield .308

which best all around

  • springfield m1a

    Votes: 49 70.0%
  • armalite ar10

    Votes: 15 21.4%
  • yes i realized you said stick to these to guns but im never listened two so i have to pick another

    Votes: 6 8.6%

  • Total voters
    70
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memphisjim

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ok id like opinions on two rifles (and these two only, please no get an fal or etc.)
planning on either an armalite ar10 20' barrel a2 format
or a springfield m1a scout squad 18" barrel

either i get is likely to remain completely stock

which would be best all around (no real purpose for it)

key points
durability
flawless function
accuracy

thanks
 
i voted m1a as thats what i have and i cant have a AR stryle un-neutered in Ca.

my SOCOM works fine despite the naysayers, although if i could fine one reasonably priced id go Scout. id probly trade my socom strait across for a scout plus i already had 20 rd m1a mags and cant get more for an AR

i think the M1A scout is the perfect all around general purpoase semi auto. compact enough and even with 18 inches 308 still has oomph to quite a distance
 
I used the M16 and the M21 (sniper version of the m14 platform) while in the Army.

I now own an M1A.

I have never used the AR platform in .308 so I can not comment on that. If it functions as well as the 5.56 version then I think you have 2 excellent weapons choices here.

I would part with my house before I'd give up my rifle though.

The M1A is a beautiful thing.
 
I was dying to get an M1A until I shot one. Don't misunderstand me: It's a GREAT rifle with a solid history of performance. I didn't like the ergonomics as well as i do my AR10. In addition to this, the AR10 is capable of better accuracy, especially in light of the problems with mounting a scope on the M1A. When you add in the versatility of the caliber-changing quality of the AR10 it's a done deal for me. One Armalite lower can be mated with several different uppers for completely different purposes. I have an upper in .243 Win and 7.62 NATO for mine. I intend to get a 7mm-08 and a .450 Marlin this summer when I go down to the gunsmith in Denver.

Both are great. You won't do wrong with either. The AR10 just has features and ergonomics I like better.
 
I am with Dr. Tad, DPMS has great AR-10s, and i can actually find them here, i have NEVER seen a armalite rifle except for a AR-50 around here.... In other words, they have more available guns that are just as good, and some cheaper models if you are on a budget.
 
I'm of the same opinion as Martinc64. I shot the M21 in the service and thought it to be a very accurate platform. I have not shot the AR10 but am very familiar with the M16 family. I ordered a RRA LAR8 in .308 back in October so I'll let ya know how the M21 and the LAR8 compare in a future thread.:)
 
left stock will one be more accurate?
is one more durable?
i expect the m1a will function better dirty is this correct?
 
If you were going for pure accuracy the AR-10 is were it's at.

Since you said you're looking at a A2 I'm assuming you're looking for more of a "battle rifle" so I'd say M1A; not because it's more reliable but because mags are more plentiful.
 
yes "battle rifle" more just for kicks though
also have seen the kel-tec rfb it looks cool
yes i know that no one will recommend it of the proven designs
 
As a target rifle, the AR-10 might be a better bet. Stock, they tend to be slightly more accurate. They are typically a little easier to mount optics on as well. The AR-10 will be slightly more modular than the M1A, so if buying uppers in other configurations or calibers is a consideration to you, that might be a significant advantage. Some also find the AR-10 to be more ergonomic. And the AR-10 might be a little cheaper to buy initially.

The M1A is the better battle rifle. It is more reliable, robust, and durable. While harder to field strip, it has far less small pieces to get lost or damaged in the field. Fouling is contained in the gas system, leaving the receiver and bolt much cooler and cleaner.

Of the AR-10s advantages, two are very minor, one is purely personal (ergonomics), and the other has the potential to be a large issue, though most will find it a complete non-issue. The accuracy difference between a bone stock AR-10A2 and an M1A is going to be slight. In fact, only the most capable of marksmen would even notice, and even then, it would only be appreciable in very few circumstances. Both are likely to shoot 1.5 MOA or better with just about anything you feed them and with the right ammo, both will probably hover around or slightly under 1 MOA. Mounting optics on the M1A requires a mount. Good mounts can be relatively expensive. But once you got them, mounting optics on the M1A should be easy enough and not much of an issue afterwards. The modularity issue has the potential to be a major advantage if you're interested, but options for configurations and calibers aren't as varied or common for the AR-10 as they are for the AR-15. Modularity is a non-issue for most and a clincher for some. It depends on your needs.

Cost could be an issue, I recognize that. But sometimes you get what you pay for. This is one of those times. You pay more initially for the M1A, but you don't spend the rest of your life drowning your rifle and yourself in CLP, then finding yourself covered in slimy carbon fouling. You don't have to buy tools to take your AR-10 apart like you probably should for best effect on the M1A, but you will find yourself buying a whole plethora of specialized cleaning jags, brushes, and solvents for the AR-10 that are completely unnecessary with the M1A. Or you'll end up cussing Eugene Stoner and every one of his decedents while attempting to reach places on his rifle that he obviously never considered would have to be cleaned. The price for mags on the M1A is a little less than most AR-10 mags, and they are still easier to find.

Some things can't be quantified either. I've never enjoyed the shooting characteristics of the AR. The sound of the buffer tube on every shot makes the rifle sound like a pogo stick and feel like a cartoon. The M1A feels more solid. Shooting my M1A is the most enjoyable shooting experience I've ever had, and that includes time behind M2, M240, and M249 machine guns, M16A4s and M203s, AKs, an AR-50, and a couple really fine custom bolt rifles. So yeah, it may have been more expensive, esp when you include the cost of the scope mount, and it may be slightly less accurate, though more than adequate for my needs even out to and beyond 600 yards, but my M1A is a sweet shooter and I've never regretted owning it. So I'll personally take the M1A over the AR-10 any day of the week and twice on Sunday, without hesitation.
 
In 308, I prefer the M1A -- as fickle as we are here on THR tho -- I know one of these days I'll have an AR in 308 too
 
well i was trying to avoid getting this thread stuck on debating different forms of the same rifle
some one in town
has an imbel fal with a century "widow peak" reciever (as he describes it
how is this gun?
 
OK, I voted for the Scout as the best all around general purpose rifle.


The Scout Squad was my very first M14 type rifle. I learned so much about the platform while I had it.
Pictured here with my very first SAGE EBR stock ... 8 years ago. I've owned an Armalite AR-10 since then and sold it to fund another M14.

ebrbuild.JPG
 
h20man
please tell me more on your impressions of each and why you choose to rid yourself of the ar10?
 
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