Armed Biker at the Carnival!!!

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Ok then, a footnote. My county in Virginia just tossed out the sherrif after eight years in office. The only issue was that over the last two years, he had been continuously trying to expand enforcement by deputies beyond the traditional role of sherrifs in the Commonwealth; namely, jails, courts and traffic control at special events. The paper this morning describes the ousted sherrif as "puzzled by his defeat." Clueless is what I'd call it.

For you LEOs out there, LISTEN UP!
 
Ok then, a footnote. My county in Virginia just tossed out the sherrif after eight years in office. The only issue was that over the last two years, he had been continuously trying to expand enforcement by deputies beyond the traditional role of sherrifs in the Commonwealth; namely, jails, courts and traffic control at special events. The situation had received some publicity as the County Police objected to it. The paper this morning describes the ousted sherrif as "puzzled by his defeat." Clueless is what I'd call it.

For you LEOs out there, LISTEN UP! Citizens do not want and do not authorize you to exceed your carefully crafted mandate of upholding and defending the Constitution. Period. Clear enough? :scrutiny:

TC
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An additional footnote: The Sheriff described in this incident won yesterday for a third term. He is very popular among Republicans and Democrats alike. It would seem the voters from both parties in his county do not see him as a rights-trampling JBT.
 
An additional footnote: The Sheriff described in this incident won yesterday for a third term. He is very popular among Republicans and Democrats alike. It would seem the voters from both parties in his county do not see him as a rights-trampling JBT.
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Maybe they like being "protected" at the cost of their rights (a lot of people like the Patriot Act, too). Maybe they've never seen or been subject to his decision that they didn't look law abiding enough to exercise their rights. Maybe he only gets off on abusing his power on side streets with no witnesses. And maybe his electorate is as prejudiced as he is. A lot of sheriffs in the South have been popular for suppressing the rights of negroes. Don't make it right.
 
Maybe. But I don't think so.
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Agreed. Tell me, did you do your best to slant the report to hold it in a positive RKBA light, but just couldn't do it enough to convince yourself? Not casting aspersions, it just looks like it was a super-weak RKBA example that could not pass muster despite its best presentation.

Also, since you first posted, is there any more information from the original sources to show whatever happened to the little man with the hairy belly or did he just fade away?
 
it just looks like it was a super-weak RKBA example that could not pass muster despite its best presentation.
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Uhhh, what? A law abiding citizen being arbitrarily denied his right to carry is "super-weak" how exactly? Oh wait, I forgot he looked different than the people around him; and was thus subject to summary execution by the homicidally trigger happy "good citizens."

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Agreed. Tell me, did you do your best to slant the report to hold it in a positive RKBA light, but just couldn't do it enough to convince yourself? Not casting aspersions, it just looks like it was a super-weak RKBA example that could not pass muster despite its best presentation.
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Actually, I didn't look at it as a really an RKBA issue at all. I looked at it as an example of bad judgement. Whatever the ideal version of the right to keep and bear arms might be, and whatever the ideal police officer might be like, there are certain realities that must be dealt with. One of those realities is that the po-po will notice you (probably in a way you won't like) if you dress to stand out in a "bad guy" costume, openly carry a weapon, and then show up at an event staged for little kids in a small town (a small town where you are a stranger, moreover). Right or wrong, they are going to be interested in you. Mainly because of the gun, but I expect a "disreputable" looking man (alone) wandering around in a children's event would still pique the interest of the average policeman.

Also, since you first posted, is there any more information from the original sources to show whatever happened to the little man with the hairy belly or did he just fade away?
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AFAIK, he got on his motorcyle and rode back to whatever town in the neighboring county he calls home.
 
Right or wrong, they are going to be interested in you.
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Interest is one thing. Even polite questioning is no problem to me. Threatening the guy is very wrong. Depriving him of his legal rights is wrong. Period. End of story. It cannot be justified. A law abiding citizen was deprived of his rights for no reason other than his appearance. How can you say this is ok?
 
How many times do I have to acknowledge that the guy's rights were trampled? Does that sound like I'm saying it is okay? Weeping creeping jeebus! For the last time, my point is that what happened was PREDICTABLE and right/wrong/otherwise the guy it happened to should have known it was going to happen. With that in mind, if he wanted to go ahead and be a martyr for the cause, I'd have nothing to say. But no, he apparently didn't have making a scene for the 2A in mind, now did he? Otherwise, why did he hop back on his two-wheeler just because some cops talked to him? That's all they did, too, was talk to him. Cops say a lot of "pushy" things, and not just because they are the kind of JBT some think everybody in a badge must be. The Sheriff in question isn't the least bit anti-gun. In fact, he was part of a lawsuit AGAINST the BATF together with a gun manufacturer and the NRA. He is, however, anti-nutcase-with-a-9mm-running-amok-in-a-kiddie-carnival.
I still think he wanted some attention. The whole thing, from the costume, to the gun, to doing it all at a street carnival just reeks of an immature cretin with a bad case of "Look at me! I'm Billy Bada$$!" I also think the attention he wanted was to have all the local rubes look at him in awe and fear. He did nothing illegal, ergo his rights were trampled. Attention seeking is not a crime. Nor is it a virtue.
 
Golgo,

Discrimination is just that, it doesn't matter if it's racial, sexual, or what you decribed here. If you have a problem with Bikers, then you need to work on that and not come off as a law enforcement authority. You describe yourself as a part timer in a small community, so I have to assume you are nothing close to being a professional. If you can understand that a white sheriff in Mississippi harrassing a black man for being somewhere he was LEGALLY able to be, just because he didn't like blacks is wrong......then how is your departments behavior towards this man acceptable? It's the same thing, period. Perhaps there is more to this story you haven't shared, like a history of Biker's carrying off your women......but I just don't see the problem here.

Good luck with your predjudices.
 
If you have a problem with Bikers, then you need to work on that and not come off as a law enforcement authority.
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Go back. Re-read.

Run a search on me. Look for threads on profiling.

Extract your foot from your mouth.

I'll explain it to you, too, again. I didn't say it was right. I said it was predictable. The "biker" in question was a law-abiding idiot.
 
Jeez Golgo,

You seem rather irritated. Have you considered anger management?
I'm sorry if I struck a cord, but you seem to have some issues with the way people dress, or look and that's just unacceptable in today's society. You seem to be defending the Sheriff's actions, therefore I have to assume that you agree with him. And while the Biker may have been an idiot in your opinion, he was within his rights. As a "part time" LEO, your perception seems to be that violating peoples rights is ok, as long as it's not your rights that are being violated. I'm a strong supporter of Law Enforcement, but there are quite a few of you, particularly "part timers" who think they have more rights than the rest of us and that is a little discomforting. Perhaps after your department is sued and the little city/county has to pay out big bucks to settle the issue, they will spend some funds to properly train their people and get them some sensitivity training in addition to giving them a firearm and a box of ammo a month. A psychological evaluation for every applicant would be a good idea as well, don't you agree? There's just too many people that are on "half cock" these days and it's a poor idea to put badges on them.

GySgt
 
Open carry

Is open carry.
What if he had been carrying a bible? a newspaper?
RKBA is a GOD given right!
If I lived in an open carry state I would do so at my convenience.
If given a hard time I would just hand my lawyers card to him and say talk to this guy,heres my ID as well.
Motorcycles present different problems for gun owners then cars.
Should he have left it in the saddlebags to be stolen?
IIRC there was 2 or 3 times loony pricks went on shooting sprees
in PA killing people for no reason.
Gun owners have a right to sit in the front of the bus!
 
Golgo: I don't understand. If we agree that his rights were violated, why are you ok with it? I fail to comprehend why you view police abuse of their powers as necessary and predictable. You seem to contradict yourself. Would you be ok if a LEO in another district violated your rights? If not, why are you ok with the violation of his? Because he was asking for it? This makes it ok because why?
 
How many times do I have to acknowledge that the guy's rights were trampled? Does that sound like I'm saying it is okay? Weeping creeping jeebus! For the last time, my point is that what happened was PREDICTABLE and right/wrong/otherwise the guy it happened to should have known it was going to happen.
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I've stayed out of this pi$$ing contest pretty much but hey .. this part of Golgo's post seems pretty straightfoward to me.!! Doesn't sound like he is condoning the deal .. just admitting it's possible predictability these days.

This could continue goin round in ever decreasing circles .. ad infinitum!:p
 
Did I say any of it was necessary? No. It was predictable. Otherwise, my annoyance, at times, in this thread stems from the mad rush to portray the psuedo-biker (I agree with whoever said real bikers are too smart to do something like this) as not only a victim, but as some kind of 2A hero. Were you there? No. Was I there? No. I did, however, hear the story pretty much verbatim as I related it to you here. This was during qualification and it was related briefly by the people involved as a mildly interesting incident, not in the form of a detailed briefing. So, there are all sorts of factors none of us know about. Did some of the law officers involved possibly know this guy from other incidents? I don't know. Do you? Was he behaving in some hinky way besides the gun? I don't know. Do you? I do know that the cops and deputies there has been such a stampede to characterize as thugs and Nazis and retarded and egomaniacs are none of those things. I know all of them personally, some of them for my whole life. They are good, decent men. None of them, repeat: none of them are anti-gun, anti-liberty, or even anti-biker. As we can also see on the thread about the school drug raid where Mike Irwin and Sportscat have been so frequently and rudely personally insulted, threads like this too often degenerate into little more than a mob scene where there is a competition to see who can be the most over-the-top and loudest in shouting "Fascist!" and "Jackbooted Thug!" and all the other tired cliches of the 2A discussion scene. You all can continue with it if you want, but I've said all I have to say and invite the first moderator who comes along to lock this thread.
 
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